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Old 09-30-2008, 06:29 PM   #54
HumanePain
 
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Originally Posted by LiUsAiDh
Not really, there must be a necessary non-contingent being (or object, I suppose) which caused things to happen, from no cause.

= God.

Although it doesn't have anything to do with omnipotence, etc etc, and the generally accepted ideas of what God is, it still comes up with a better argument for a Creator's existence than 'I can think of God, so He's there'.
When applying deity to the physical world, it is a forever catch-up game:

The Native Americans didn't know what caused lightning, and so attributed it to a spirit. Now we know what causes lightning. But now we don't know why, when we play back in reverse the mathematics describing the observed universe, everything krunches up into an extremely hot singularity, and so some assign this cosmic "egg" as evidence of divine creation.

Eventually we will understand the reason, whether it be a fault in our observations, math or an unknown property of the universe, and then we will go on to the next unknown. We will always have one foot in the unknown, and the other foot on a banana peel.

Faith should only be applied to the individual mind, not to physics. Well, maybe theoretical physics.
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