[AshtrayKitten]

Originally Posted by Saya

Any isolated genetic pool has cases of being more vulnerable to diseases, its not special to "race". Newfoundland for example was very isolated and became the interest for genetic science:

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We are far more suspectable to BBS than most other populations and 1/10 of us have psoriasis. Can I say I'm "Newfoundlander" now instead of "white"? We will prevail! Newfie Power!

And you lump all people of dark skin african descent as black, but in Africa they see it differently too, there are different "races" there. There is a special tribe for instance that alone in Africa has a huge rate of lactose tolerance. And same goes for Asians, in Vietnam there is a certain village that has a deadly disease where you have a heart attack while experiencing the old hag syndrome, the only people with this genetic disorder descend from that village.

If you take traits like diseases you are suspectable to and say its because of "race", then we can make all sorts of different races. Those 40% of black people who have a variant that can protect them after heart failure should be their own race too!

The term 'race' usually refers to the concept of categorizing humans into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of characteristics. I did not take traits such as susceptibility to disease and say it's due to race, but rather, illustrated that individuals belonging to this or that race share characteristics which they do not share with other such groups.

Increased susceptibility towards a disease does not provide sufficient differences between one group of people and another, not enough for them to be classified as a unique race (a word which strikes me more as technical term rather than a social construct.)

The argument laid out that it doesn't exist resembles wordplay more than anything. I could say that individual computer networks do not exist, because they are all part of the Internet.

I'd like to go back to statement :

And you lump all people of dark skin african descent as black, but in Africa they see it differently too, there are different "races" there.

I do lump people of dark skin of African descent as belonging to a race. There are no different races, as the differences are not numerous or pronounced enough to warrant such a classification.

Members of the sub-Saharan, black race, typically have skin thicker than those of the white race, skin which better impedes the penetration of germs and UV rays. They have arms and legs relatively longer than those of whites, and are more powerfully developed from the waist down, in contrast to whites who are more developed from the waist up.

The physical differences between the two groups continue down to the level of hormonal production and distribution. African-American teenage girls tend to be taller and heavier and mature faster than their peers in other ethnic groups.

These traits tend to be exhibited by members of that unique race.

And where's your evidence that somehow black people are impervious to poverty related crimes but are instead more aggressive because of an asshole gene?

I never stated that black people are impervious to poverty related crimes. In fact, I think I stated that it'd be foolish to dismiss both nature and nurture. I gave my opinion, that nature does influence the present situation of blacks in the states, against the general sentiment that nature can have absolutely, positively no impact whatsoever.


Here is an example against the 'nurture' side of the coin. The statistics may be slightly out of date but that holds little relevance to the context.

Washington, D.C. enjoys the highest average annual salaries and is second only to Alaska in personal income per capita. It leads the nation in about every category of crime including murder, robbery, aggravated assault, and vehicle theft. D.C. also has the country's strictest gun control, highest police costs per capita, highest ration of police and correctional officers per citizen, and highest rate of incarceration. Its permanent population is over 80% Black. West Virginia, which has the nation's lowest crime rate, suffers from chronic poverty and has the highest unemployment in the U.S. It also has the fewest police per capita. West Virginia is over 96% White.