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Originally Posted by Deadmanwalking_05
The prices on ammo are running pretty high right now.
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This is true... but you can still have fun with .22s for like 5 dollars an outing (im including targeting)
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Originally Posted by emeraldlonewoulf
It seems like half the time I go to buy ammo ( about every two weeks), Walmart is out of everything but 12 gauge shotgun shells and occasional box of some less common rifle caliber, like 45-70 or something.
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Aren't they're any indoor ranges in your area? My range I go to usually has full stocks of everything except 10MM (they don't stock it often and it sells out from time to time)
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Originally Posted by Onyx
Great, conceal and carry. Then they just start coming up from behind with a baseball bat, possibly causing life ending injury. If you want to defend yourself then learn to fight. Even if they come up from the front, they're not going to scream give me your wallet from half way down the street. They're going to be right on you before you know you need the gun. At that point the range advantage is gone and more than likely you just gave a gun and your wallet to what WAS an unarmed criminal.
I love how pro-gun people talk though. Shooting someone point blank isn't the same as shooting a target. If you seriously needed to use that gun are you sure you'd be able to? If not you probably just lost your wallet, the gun and your life. Good job.
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Originally Posted by Onyx
Well, taking the fact that you said you sincerely hope you never have to shoot someone, then I guess it is safe to assume you never have. In that case, you're making a big leap of faith that you'd be ABLE to pull the f'ing trigger. Taking a life isn't something most people can do. Also, have you taken into account the psychological effects on you of killing someone? Unless you're one cold hearted SOB it's something that will haunt you for the rest of your life.
If you want an advantage then, like I said before, learn to fight. Spend less time on the range and more time in the gym/dojo learning to defend yourself with the one set of weapons you always have on you and can not be easily taken away from you. Given a close range match between your holstered gun and my minimal martial arts training, I'll take my martial arts training.
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I'm responding to both to prevent redundancy:
You can ask anyone who's ever been in a fight; Martial arts do practically nothing. Even if you frequently spar you're still used to fighting opponents who play fair, but in a fight you will not have that luxury. There are a select few that can be used in some forms effectively. Akkido for one can be useful if you only take parts of it. In reality though it won't make a difference. But no one is going to try to rob you if they are unarmed. Most wont rob you if they have a knife it's too easy to run from someone with a knife. If they have a gun you're screwed. If you have a gun you are on at least equal ground. In fact, you are probably on better ground. Anyone who concealed carries has to be prepared to kill someone. The person who is there to rob you is only prepared to take your money. I would honestly have no problem killing someone who was threatening me. The minute he resorts to crime in my mind he is a worthless human being. Nothing more than a blood sucking leech who is taking money from people he thinks he can pick on. I have a much higher respect for the deer that I hunt. Even if it did haunt me or bother me it would be a small price to pay from protecting me from harm (not to mention any of his other victims).