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Originally Posted by JCC
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Cool. I'm about 30 minutes in. I'm enjoying the hell out of it actually. See, JCC's doin' it right, he didn't get butthurt, he didn't make this an argument of ideals, he brought something to the table which he could
show me.
SweetJane:
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Anyway, I wish I had time to finish this, but I'm moving into my new apt. later today. I'll try to finish it tonight.
My initial impressions are thus:
a) Hey, it's pretty cool that they're making this thing work.
b) Seriously, fuck those factory owners.
c) However, this really more or less re-enforces the view which Kontan and I have taken from the beginning of this:
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Originally Posted by KontanKarite
The point of my post is that as long as all people involved are playing the game in the most autonomous way possible, either system could work. Sadly, we have seen BOTH systems fall to corruption. It's almost like the law of entropy. All things in order must eventually fall into chaos.
It's not the systems in place, it's basically the social aspects that demand a certain kind of behavior that are in place that have been put there by the people of that system. If the people want their lives to be a living hell, they'll see to it that it happens, if they want something better and more liberating, they'll see to that as well.
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The uber-capitalism created a situation which the people found intolerable, and they did something about it, and at this early point in time it seems to be working (YAY!) and hopefully it will continue to work as people decide this is what they want. The reason they have been able to stand up to the police and the government thus-far is overwhelming public support.
I think it's important to note that, as they say in the movie, this is not a movement that was born out of politics or ideals, this is a movement which was born out of
necessity. This emerging system occurred organically as a result of the fucktarded policies put in place by the Argentinian government. I, personally, will be very interested to see if this kind of thing can actually work in the long-run, or if it will eventually fall to entropy an corruption.
d) I should also add that, that not voting and focusing solely on on the economic reforms is
epic-level-fucktarditry. What these people have built will fall apart in mere days without public support. The returning government is already trying desperately to win the war of information, and mobs have a horribly short memories. Once order is resored, and a legitimately elected government steps in with a strong public mandate, if that government is not a friend of the workers they're gonna be screwed, and their slingshots are not going to save them.