[Despanan]

Originally Posted by Alan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ten dollars an hour is NOT minimum wage over there, is it?
So you complain about earning 140% that of most low income class people living in the same most expensive city in the world?
A further argument below.

Who's complaining? My life is awesome, but that doesn't mean your critique of me as an "out of touch" middle class guy is valid. I'm FAR below the poverty line.

Oh and my base wage is 7.55, which IS minimum wage. I just happen to be able to average around Ten an hour because I'm really good at my job.

Obviously you can only argue your point with hyperbole, because that's how socialism works.

YES. THIS HAS CLEARLY BEEN MY ONLY MEANS OF ATTACK THIS ENTIRE TIME. MY STATUS AS A CUNNING LINGUIST IS THE ONLY REASON YOU HAVE FOUND YOURSELF SO THOROUGHLY LICKED.

Hyperbole aside, there are many different theories on socialist thought and it's application which DON'T involve Harlem's syphalitic drug addicts crashing with me on my couch. Just because some versions involve the abolishment of private property doesn't mean that this is a good idea, nor does this being "How socialism works" do anything for your case that capitalism is entirely without merit.

A real minimum wage is not the norm in almost any part of the free-market world. And yet you bitch about how you don't have it good.
Not only is the pursuit of a minimum wage won by radical trade unionism consciously opposed to capitalism, and at the expense of thousands of workers' lives; but aside from that, you're being so fucking eurocentric right now.
The increasingly welfarist European states have decent wage standards and America has at least a minimum wage; therefore fuck the third world, main producer of prime materials, and the underclassed millions in America who must be doing something bad if their businesses still pay less than minimum wage - the "sort of norm in 'capitalist' societies"

What JCC said. Arguing against third world economies is a straw-man. I'm not endorsing Argentina's uber-capitalistic economy. Why do you find it so hard to stay on topic? For that matter, why do you keep avoiding my direct questions? It's not helping dude.

Neither. Transferring from my university program with my GPA allowed me to pay the same thing in another college as mine for a year: 1,200.
But it's nice to know ad hominems are back on the table.

Once again, pointing out hipocracy is only ad hominime if the argument is saying/implying you're WRONG because of it. You know, like this:

Originally Posted by Some douche what doesn't know to argue good

your argument is just based around your middle-class personal standard of living...

Now, I could continue this "poorer than thou" dickwaving contest, but as I've pointed out, it really doesn't apply to this argument: that capitalism is entirely without merit (which Jillian, so far, has done a massively inadequate Job of arguing for) Lets just agree that we're both super poor dudes with mad working class street cred and go back to using our university educated minds to spend multiple hours a day arguing theoretical economics on the internets.

if your argument is as stupidly simplistic as "he earns more because he works more," then someone who earns a hundred times what you earn works a hundred times what you work? Does it go viceversa?

That was never my argument, so stop pretending it was. My argument was that your claim that salaries in a "capitalist" economy were "arbitrary" or "based on hierarchy" there are many factors which go into a persons salary, which I have shown. I am not arguing that all salaries are deserved all the time, nor am I implying that inequalities are not present. Besides, aren't you supposed to be arguing for the abolition of property? What the fuck does how much a person makes per hour even have to do with that?

Man! Those Braceros sure are fucking lazy, then!

leave the hyperbole to those who are good at it. Everyone here knows you don't have a sense of humor, so quit pretending otherwise.