[Loy]

Al-when you speak of "the spoils of war", you're reffering to the Gaza Strip, right? Just wanted to make sure, since "spoils of war" also includes not just territory, but populations (to be used/abused at will), ideological domination, ethnic cleansing, etc, etc.

Helena-I love how people on the Pro-Israel side always use the "we've given them plenty of chances" excuse for their blind hatred. In reality, those "chances for building a country" are pretty laughable to anybody who knows how to read and think logically. I remember the terms Israel put forward a few years ago. Now they said "we're allowing them to be an independant country", but if one read the terms, the only thing the Palestinians would be allowed to do was call themselves a "country", but the Isralis would still keep control of the roads, the airspace, the import/exporting of goods....in other words, it'd be the military occupation with a friendlier name. Sorry, but I'm calling "bullshit" on you.

And before you jump on my case with your "you don't understand because you live all the way over there", I'd like to point out how many of my friends are actually from Israel and going to school here (post-military term, not pre, as I have a feeling you're about to toss out). I hear all sides of this whole debacle you guys keeping digging yourselves deeper into from people who are very much part of that culture. In other words, fuck you and fuck your shrillness. Have a nice day.