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MrMaelstrom · 11-26-2005, 05:20 AM

Exactly, but somehow, the very threat posed to these "innocent civilians" on both sides of this conflict makes them so desensitized to the plight of the other, that any thought for the lives of the "innocent civilian" on the opposing side doesn't even enter the equation (as Helena aptly demonstrated).

As for living or not living there... geez,,, that really was a well thought out point.
Lemme tell you why I do not agree:

We wouldn't have peace talks just about everywhere (like Cairo just now), road maps in the Balkans and Middle East, talks in N.Korea, military U.N. operations in Afghanistan and such, if we (as outsiders) didn't feel that although not suffering directly, can perceive the issue from a rationally detached point of view (as opposed to one clouded by prejudice, fear, pain and hatred) and be a buffer between the two sides to make them try to adjust (which I admit is the only valid arguement for the existance of troops in Iraq [but it didn't have to be this way]).
Let us completely close dipomatic relations with every country.
After all, what's the point of talking to those people.
We do not live there.
How the fuck can we communicate?
It's not like they can love, hate, speak, eat, fuck, shit, learn, drive, breathe and do things like we do...

I mean, drop the rethoric there for a moment, and you'll realize that if the arguement of not living in a place were valid... shit man, I don't have to live in Israel and Palestine to see that ALL of those people hate and fear eachother to such a degree that its near impossible from diverting BOTH into a spiral of endless violence.

When was the last time someone here did a search on human rights abuses?
It's hell out there, and not just where she is. And we have and have had members here (Samuel and formerly Gipsy) who were and are at arms length LITERALLY, and it doesn't stop them from trying to help as much as they can the very people that spawn/shelter/feed the enemies who would have them killed. She will never patrol an area with a palestinian, but US kids (yes, kids) are dying in Iraq with the notion in their idealistic, heroic heads, that they're not only helping out the iraqui people, not only protecting their own country, but attempting to create seeds of democracy that could lead to peace in the entire region (including the area where the 16 year-old deaf and blind lives).

11-26-2005, 05:20 AM	#30
MrMaelstrom Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lisboa, Portugal Posts: 1,608	Exactly, but somehow, the very threat posed to these "innocent civilians" on both sides of this conflict makes them so desensitized to the plight of the other, that any thought for the lives of the "innocent civilian" on the opposing side doesn't even enter the equation (as Helena aptly demonstrated). As for living or not living there... geez,,, that really was a well thought out point. Lemme tell you why I do not agree: We wouldn't have peace talks just about everywhere (like Cairo just now), road maps in the Balkans and Middle East, talks in N.Korea, military U.N. operations in Afghanistan and such, if we (as outsiders) didn't feel that although not suffering directly, can perceive the issue from a rationally detached point of view (as opposed to one clouded by prejudice, fear, pain and hatred) and be a buffer between the two sides to make them try to adjust (which I admit is the only valid arguement for the existance of troops in Iraq [but it didn't have to be this way]). Let us completely close dipomatic relations with every country. After all, what's the point of talking to those people. We do not live there. How the fuck can we communicate? It's not like they can love, hate, speak, eat, fuck, shit, learn, drive, breathe and do things like we do... I mean, drop the rethoric there for a moment, and you'll realize that if the arguement of not living in a place were valid... shit man, I don't have to live in Israel and Palestine to see that ALL of those people hate and fear eachother to such a degree that its near impossible from diverting BOTH into a spiral of endless violence. When was the last time someone here did a search on human rights abuses? It's hell out there, and not just where she is. And we have and have had members here (Samuel and formerly Gipsy) who were and are at arms length LITERALLY, and it doesn't stop them from trying to help as much as they can the very people that spawn/shelter/feed the enemies who would have them killed. She will never patrol an area with a palestinian, but US kids (yes, kids) are dying in Iraq with the notion in their idealistic, heroic heads, that they're not only helping out the iraqui people, not only protecting their own country, but attempting to create seeds of democracy that could lead to peace in the entire region (including the area where the 16 year-old deaf and blind lives). __________________ Undead again...