[Disfunction]

Originally Posted by Scythan

We can take some things for granted. The physical universe is one of them. It is where we are, and what we interact with. If we question that one basic fact, then everything else is meaningless.

By thinking and deducting, we are interacting with the physical universe. Thus we can only make judgements upon anything within the arena of the physical. We have no experience with anything other than the physical, so we can not and should not even try to comprehend other modes of existence.

If this is in fact not the real realm of existence, then consider my argument null and void, if this other reality is ever proven. But until then, we need to have some basis upon which we agree. In this existence, there are atoms and universal laws. I am making observations and deductions which have to do with these facts. If there is no other way we can observe rather than sensory perception, why rail against unalterable circumstances?

We humans try to understand the universe, and if sensory perception is the only route, then we will have to deal with reality on its own terms, as there is no other way.

I've simply been playing devil's advocate this whole time and having a go at you. I do believe that reality is... real.

The trouble is, it's hard to just draw a line in the sand and say "Well, this is real, but this isn't." I don't actually believe I've been introduced to any concepts that are valid which remain this consistently clear-cut.