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Originally Posted by Saya
I didn't say that religion should be kept in social policies, I'm very much for the separation of church and state.
But secular charities are dwarfed by the religious. If the religious ones were to go away, we'd be fucked. Secular charities can also be guilty of keeping more proceeds than they should. And it isn't always to appease superstition, a religion can reason to its followers why its good to be, well, good. In Christianity, particularly Protestantism, as long as you have faith you'll go to heaven, you do not gain salvation by donating to charity. And its already been pointed out that Christian politicians want to cut social programs. So why does it also inspire so much charity? Because most religions incur a sense of community, brotherhood and goodwill. And some are even interested in mimicking the teachings of Jesus, fancy that.
There is no divinity in Zen Buddhism, I have no idea what you're talking about. Can I exist without Buddhism? Yes. Would I be as involved socially without Buddhism? I don't know, probably not, but maybe, its hard to say what my exposure to philanthropy would have been without it. I don't need it to function, no, I am not broken, I want it because I want to see something.
Its hard to say without asking, but its also stupid to think that a secular institution can't be cruel and bigoted, just as stupid to assume that any religious institution has to be.
I think in the face of losing income, business and most of all, being a bigot, an adoption agency (not necessarily charity) would simply comply to laws, especially in non-conservative states. What kind of a agency are you if you're willing to allow children to go without parents just to prove that you're just as bigoted as the next redneck? And thats assuming they're doing it just to keep the religious people off their backs and not bigoted themselves. I have seen charities cut off their noses to make a point that they won't back down in the face of backlash, how strongly do they believe in gay rights if they're willing to roll over for only potential backlash, not real?
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God FUCKING DAMN IT! You are just choosing to throw shit out there just to argue. First, you agree that politics should be secular and then the only point you're actually making overall is that religious charities should be around because without them we'd be fucked. I think the problem is, YOU can't imagine humanity having the ability to fill those vacuums. And not only that, this isn't even ABOUT those things to begin with.
First off, you name ONE secular organization that's done this and all you've proven is that they're quite CLEARLY bigots with NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. But you call a Catholic organization out for being bigoted and what do you get? People just saying, "They're just misguided." or "Well, that's what they believe in and we just have to deal with that."
FUCK. THAT. Seriously. Your points are amazingly dumb and actually, they're barely even applicable to this thread in the least.
You know what... you're not even making any points. You're just shooting off your 'net mouth.