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Originally Posted by TheManWhoWouldBeDead
Cigarettes should be outlawed, yes. People are too fucking stupid to look out for their own welfare, so, apparently, they need someone to do it for them
Actually, you can. Fatasses should pay more into the national healthcare fund, in anticipation of their own idiotic and predictable problems. So should smokers. Part of universal healthcare should be an overhaul of the system we use to determine healthy BMI, blood pressure, lifestyle, etc. Overall health and lifestyle should be reexamined, and then every citizen should be mandated to have a yearly physical. If you're found lacking, you pay more into the fund.
While six's idea of a waiver is tempting to back, I don't think it would work. It would create a disparity, where the wealthy would opt out, buy private insurance, and, as they always do, take the lion's share of medical resources for themselves.
Healthcare should not be a business. It should be both a right and a responsibility, and everyone should participate in the same system. Privatized healthcare and personal choice ain't working, so we need to change things. Part of that change is how we think as a nation, and the way we collectively think now is fucked up. Being "okay with who you are" is twisted into "I'm a lazy fuck who doesn't want to put the effort into maintaining a healthy body so I'll hide behind the rhetoric of personal choice". Self-confidence is one thing, but nobody should be alright with the idea of coronary artery disease, early onset arthritis, COPD, and all of the other shit that comes from a snack-gorging, chainsmoking, willfully sedentary lifestyle.
As for personal choice? Fuck it. People claim that their stupid behavior only affects them, but in this age it doesn't. Someone wants to be a fatass? Well, in the long run that DOES affect me, and everyone else. So fuck them. They should put on a pair of running shoes, and eat a god damned apple.
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Sorry. But you still want a system that benefits society to also benefit you personally. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Your last statement is ironic because you don't think people should warp other peoples lives to accommodate them, but yet you think everyone should warp their own lives to save you a couple dollars.
Also, you would sound far less biased and more informed on the issue if you didn't declare every obese person a fat fat fattie who needs to stop fatting around and fatting up your air with their fatness. Oh my god those fat fatties need to eat an apple and stop being so goddamn fat, those fatties because it's always that easy, and I used to be a disgusting fat fattie but I picked myself up by my fattie bootstraps and ate nothing but salads and went on 50 mile long He-Man jogs every day for breakfast so I would stop being a fattie, and by god all those other fatties can do it to. FAT!
Health care should be a right, and that right should go to everyone, even obese people and smokers, because they're still people. That's how public works programs work, they go to everyone, whether you think they're worth it or not.