SCC, are we facebook friends? because if not you should friend me.
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Originally Posted by Sir Canvas Corpsey
I should just mention, you know, on the off hand, the wind is to me like walks in the park of a tub of icecream are to others, it gives me peace and when it's blowing I sometimes like to just relax in it and envision the flow of it as I feel it. That's all the wind is to me. I called it a peace force, because it's a force of nature and it gives me peace.
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Then what was this "paganism" you're referring to? What's the second of the two "Seemingly irreconcilable faiths"? What are the "Abilities" of certain people that you refer to?
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Originally Posted by Sir Canvas Corpsey
I'm caught in a wrestling match between doing perspective its justice, reason, experience, faith, Christianity, Paganism, a belief that we give God too much credit for some things but cannot reconcile things such creation/big bang with science, a deep connection with nature but also a reliance on technological innovation, a belief in the 'abilities' of certain people, an often absent word from any deity in the present and the coming together of two seemingly opposite faiths to form one moment of revelation is the short, summary of what my spiritual identity crisis is.
In ultra short: I'm Agnostic, yay!
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You aren't Agnostic, you're undecided and that's not bad. Agnostic means you belive that it's impossible to know anything about the nature of God(s).
Anyway, I get it, you're having a spiritual crisis. That happens I think what set Kontan off was the language you employed. You guys have to realize he went through EXACTLY the same thing you're going through when he was 19 or 20. He lost his faith in the normative Jesus, he was dealing with issues of paranoia, and he looked for anyway he could to reconcile that faith. For like 3 years (maybe longer) he identified as "Pagan" and then "Gonstic Christian", and he used to go after me constantly for being an atheist (When I wasn't an atheist, I just thought tarot cards and astral travel were fucking STUPID).
You've got to understand, Kontan and I have seen people who got halfway there, and then got LOST to this neo-pagan bullshit. You are realizing what is wrong with chrisitianity, and starting to break away, which is GREAT most people have neither the strength, nor the presence of mind to crack that brainwashing, and I applaud you for that.
Here's the thing though, this is a PIVOTAL time for you, I don't want to discourage you from "communing with the forces" because being in nature brings me peace too, but I DO want to make sure that you aren't
drugging yourself while you do it (and make no mistake that's what religious thought is.)
I felt more spiritual, as an atheist on top of Katahdin, than I have EVER felt in a church (and I've been to the vatican) but
when you assign a "spirit" to the wind, you cheapen the wind. When you assign an imaginary hand of order on the cosmose you cheapen the beauty of the chaos. If God(s) made the trees and the mountains and the sky then it's all just set dressing for a morality play,
but if this occured by CHANCE, do you see how fucking special everything is? Without God(s) this world is a blank canvas, and this life and consciousness means so much more.
You can understand why Kontan and I would fight so hard against the people who seek to cheapen it and bend others to their will. You can see how truly
horrifying mystical thinking, even "harmless" mystical thinking really is.
TLDR: FUCK the Enlightenment, and fuck Enlightenment Christianity, those guys were BRILLIANT thinkers who realized that something was seriously wrong with their faith, and instead of coming to the obvious conclusion used their brilliance to perform feats of mental gymnastics and perpetuate this
soul-crushing system of spiritual tyranny.
One can forgive them for being reluctant to speak up...until fairly recently heresey was punishable by death, but this reconciling of faith with science? It's an
intellectually and spiritually bankrupt cop-out, it's an easy answer which perpetuates the cycle of violent spiritual coercion, and to see that, and say nothing, or to work FOR that coercion, either actively or passively that, is truly unforgivable.
Thou shalt not suffer a wise man who turns his toungue to dipshittery.
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Also: Screw that guy who tried to psychoanalyze you on failbook. He sounds like a nutcase.