[Miss Absynthe]

Originally Posted by Fruitbat

The Mexican tried to kiss her, is kissing RRApe? I'd have to say no... It makes him a poor judge of timing but not a rapist.

I suppose that depends on the definition that you have of what a 'rapist' is. The character in question didn't just try to kiss her and stop when he was told that his advances were unwelcome - if he did that, if he was clumsy with his timing but respected the fact that she said 'no' then that would make him a poor judge of timing. He consistantly ignored the fact that she said 'no' and that she was struggling to get away from him - this is what makes it r.ap.e.

R.a.p.e culture dictates that unless there is penetration (or something approximating penetration) then the act of ignoring the lack of consent isn't rrape This is bullshit. R.a.p.e culture is bullshit. We have been trained as a society to make excuses for rapists. We expect that consent is automatically given instead of demanding that it is requested before anything is attempted, and that for a r.a.p.e to occur that consent must be withdrawn and that some sort of harm should occur. This is bullshit.

I know that I sound angry, and I am trying to stay calm and rational about this, but I am SO over people being taught how not to be r.a.p.e.d, instead of us teaching people *NOT* to rrape

Originally Posted by Fruitbat

Why can't white people be victims of racism? What is it called then if a white person receives treatment that woudl be classed as racism if it were happening to a person of a non-white background?

WRT racism/reverse racism: You might want to do some reading about the concepts of 'privilege' and 'social currency'. A great place to start is Peggy McIntosh's essay White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Backpack

Originally Posted by Fruitbat

MissA
Did ana withdraw her consent? I don't recall if she did or not.

There were a great number of times that she withdrew consent from Christian, but he continued because she was his property, he knew she'd enjoy it, he was excited by her attempts to fight him off etc..

This is problematic in itself.. let alone the fact that consent was assumed to be given and never actually asked for (and yes, even I thoughtlessly perpetuated that idea in the way that I phrased my remark about her "withdrawing" consent - r.a.p.e culture is FUCKED.)

And Gnet - you are pissing me the fuck off with the **** thing.