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Languor · 02-19-2013, 12:22 AM

"We hold ourselves up to be the "real" women who are more deserving of any resources that are set aside for women, saving it only for ourselves despite the fact transwomen may be more needy. We feel free to out transwomen without their permission."

Can you explain to me what "out" as a verb means? I think I'm a bit behind on LGBT cultural terms.

"Also this is more clearly seen in conservative women circles, but I think liberal feminists do it in more subtle ways, is that we distance ourselves from those we do not want to be associated with because they're "freakish" or too subversive in order to glean trust from power holders. If men associate us with hairy lesbians or transwomen, they might not take US, the REAL women, seriously! And we feel we need validation from men."

libfems tend to be much less critical of transpeople than radfems. I disagree with a lot of liberal feminist beliefs but I like that liberal feminism is helping young women get introduced to the concept that they are not just walking sex to be used by their owners and die serving them.
I disagree with a lot of people commenting on radfem blogs who are turning away from criticism and towards hate. I used to excuse them on the grounds that they were obviously battered people and they found the subject matter painful but I've decided that that is never really ok. Play the ball, not the man, so to speak.

I don't agree that trans women are more oppressed than FAB women. I totally respect your beliefs though and I see where you're coming from.

"The problem with this though is, where do you draw the line? What if a woman was rraped by a woman (and it happens!) and doesn't want any queer women at all in their shelter? Where do you draw the line between what bigotry is allowed because of possible uncomfortableness?"

Good point. Where do trans people draw the line in trans-only spaces? Is it just a matter of someone saying "I am transgender" or do they have to be dressed a certain way? Do people ever get turned away from trans-only events for not being trans enough? (Seriously asking, you seem to know so much about all this! I've learned a lot.)

02-19-2013, 12:22 AM	#50
Languor Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 45	"We hold ourselves up to be the "real" women who are more deserving of any resources that are set aside for women, saving it only for ourselves despite the fact transwomen may be more needy. We feel free to out transwomen without their permission." Can you explain to me what "out" as a verb means? I think I'm a bit behind on LGBT cultural terms. "Also this is more clearly seen in conservative women circles, but I think liberal feminists do it in more subtle ways, is that we distance ourselves from those we do not want to be associated with because they're "freakish" or too subversive in order to glean trust from power holders. If men associate us with hairy lesbians or transwomen, they might not take US, the REAL women, seriously! And we feel we need validation from men." libfems tend to be much less critical of transpeople than radfems. I disagree with a lot of liberal feminist beliefs but I like that liberal feminism is helping young women get introduced to the concept that they are not just walking sex to be used by their owners and die serving them. I disagree with a lot of people commenting on radfem blogs who are turning away from criticism and towards hate. I used to excuse them on the grounds that they were obviously battered people and they found the subject matter painful but I've decided that that is never really ok. Play the ball, not the man, so to speak. I don't agree that trans women are more oppressed than FAB women. I totally respect your beliefs though and I see where you're coming from. "The problem with this though is, where do you draw the line? What if a woman was rraped by a woman (and it happens!) and doesn't want any queer women at all in their shelter? Where do you draw the line between what bigotry is allowed because of possible uncomfortableness?" Good point. Where do trans people draw the line in trans-only spaces? Is it just a matter of someone saying "I am transgender" or do they have to be dressed a certain way? Do people ever get turned away from trans-only events for not being trans enough? (Seriously asking, you seem to know so much about all this! I've learned a lot.)