[Binkie]

You do realize, Loy, that alot of Nicaraguans in the rural areas didn't even know about the revolution for several months after it toppled the government? And alot of them only learned this by hearing it on the radio. This is how in touch many rural communities were with just mainstream politics. You think mainstream religion was somehow further reaching than government rule? If the Pope were to delcare tomorrow that homosexuality is totally acceptable, how long do you think it'd take for rural areas in Nicaragua to hear about it... if this were still 1985?

As for your first point, do you see me refuting their religious affiliations? No. What you do see me refuting is the relevancy of what they did or thought, considering the main issue is USAID money going to churches and former organizations, not 50,000 Sunday Susans.

As for point two, you must just neglect the fact that very real Roman Catholic priests and Archbishops were afflicted by the government's censorship and sweeping arrests. People that belonged to very real Roman Catholic Churches that were very much against the government arresting their own priests and insulting Archbishops publicly. That's not going to piss any Church organizations off? It's almost ludicrous how you recognize Roman Catholic Churches that were pro-FSLN, but the ones that were anti-FSLN? Not real Roman Catholic Churches. This almost sounds like the propaganda some of these organizations were putting out against the FSLN. If you really want to whitewash this entire issue, I challenge you to come up with a list of all the oraganizations and churches that recieved funding from The American Institute for Free Labor Development in Nicaragua durring the mid to late 80s. Otherwise, you can just call your own insinuations "bullshit" if you've nothing to back them up with.

No, I don't find that arguement to be legitimate unless we're talking about an openly leftist historian who feels it's alright to editorialize history (i.e. inserting information that has no factual basis for it's inclusion). If Ted Rall wrote the book, yeah, I'll pull that card. But really, I'm not seeing how this differs from my version, especially since I provided a quote from Daniel Ortega that said essentially the same thing: many prominent Roman Catholics did not condemn Contra violence and this was the source of the FSLN's general aggitation with the RC Church. If anything, that quote goes more to support my point of the FSLN and RC Church having a very rocky/non-friendly relationship than anything.

Well, don't expect me to buy [that the use of grenades in math problems was actual disinformation] without reference to something solid I can verify. As I've already provided interviews with the very guy who oversaw the entire program in Nicaragaua and the teaching material that a Harvard sponsored school teaches, I'm more inclined to lean towards believing them than taking your vague word for it that there was testimony somewhere that said it was just propaganda. I'm not calling you a liar, Loy, but you do see my plight here.