[quote=ExistentialDisorder]I don't want to get into a debate with anybody. I'm just going to say that I don't believe that suicide is selfish. The method one takes to commit it can be and often is selfish and inconsiderate, but not the act itself. I think the selfishness comes on the part of those that would try to convince somebody not to commit suicide, due to their own (selfish) wants, desires and feelings for/towards that person. If somebody has reached the point in their life that they really, truly don't want it to go on any longer, for whatever reasons of their own, then it should be their choice to end their life.
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Some are stronger than others and can deal with a hell of a lot more. I just think that it's selfish of others to want you to go on, to keep enduring when you honestly, sincerely just want it all to end. Because it's not their pain, they're not the ones that have to deal with it day after day. Love them enough to let them go, and be happy for them in the hopes that they've somehow found some sort of peace with themselves.[quote]
I agree with most of this. I think I posted something similar in the suicide thread. I don't think I'd go so far as to say that suicide is not selfish - I think it is - but I think it's important to note that it's also selfish to demand that someone carry on living a life they find unbearable, so their loved ones don't have to suffer bereavement. I'm not comfortable with the idea that they should just be left to it - guess I'm just too damn socialised
- and I do think people should be helped where possible, and sometimes prevented, if they're panicking over something that's realistically fixable. But who's to say what's fixable for another person?... Gah. My head hurts.
I could circle this subject for hours. But my main point is simply that I'm personally not comfortable with labelling ALL suicides selfish assholes.
And I'm sorry you had to see that, Restless Dead ... that must have been an awful thing to witness.