Racist goths???

[XNyarlathotepX]

Pretty much all of the goths I know or have known have been staunch anti racists. The reason should be obvious, the gothic subculture identifies as an outgroup and thus would likely see other outgroups, ones that in the case of racial minorities have suffered a far worse outgrouping, as natural allies. Thus, I was surprised to come on here and see several rather callous, ignorant discussions of race and racial issues by several obviously privilaged, suburban, callous whites who refuse to recognize their social privilage.

As many of you are non Christians, perhaps this will help. Before you say something about a minority race, stop and consider how you might respond if a Christian were to say a similar thing about people of your faith. Maybe you will get why it's inappropriate then.

To those goths of color who have been insulted or mistreated on here by white goths, I am sorry that you have to put up with this kind of crap from a social group that should be accepting of people who think outside the box and reject the norm.

To those bigoted white goths who want to talk about how you don't like the way it looks, or some BS like that, you're in the wrong sociological sect. You might as well have been cheerleaders.

[Murder.Of.Crows]

So cheerleaders are all bigoted and single minded? Weird. So all goth's share a single mind set and have but one set opinion on things? Also weird.

[Versus]

What are you talking about?

[Alan]

Look at the threads he revived.
Nyarlathotep, I can see the offense, but you are just as quick to judge as they were idiots.
You barely joined this group, but if you actually knew this community you'd know that the guys who made those threads are dipshits.

Onyxbat? A very conservative little girl who can't keep an opinion consistent. She just knows in every issue she has to blame someone and it can't possibly be that she's wrong.

Necroshadow? The name itself should tell you how stereotypical and devoid of personality he is.

Spookycreep? A black goth that loved to play the race card. Frankly I'm surprised you responded to Spadille as if he was right in that thread, when he was defending Spookycreep who said "you all disagree with me, you must be racist" and yet made fun of $hade, our former East Asian poster who was barely learning the English language.

Catch? We're not sure what she is. She's been here always and she such an idiot I genuinely believe she has a learning disability. Hell, she even was on TV once in the show So You Think You Can Dance, made an ass of herself, and the judges asked if she was serious. She's either downright idiotic or the most committed troll in history.

[Grausamkeit]

Guys, I think we're being slandered by that blog "The Ultimate Goth Guide". I believe those very threads are the ones linked to in an article where the poster assumes we embrace racists.
http://ultimategothguide.blogspot.co...ou-to.html?m=0

[Grausamkeit]

I also think that nonmembers might get the wrong idea about the humor between friends on here and sarcasm almost never goes over well.

[Solumina]

Well that shit sucks, I hate that the regular members posting in those threads showed that the scene is inclusive but the idiotic baby bats and obvious trolls being racist are somehow more representative of what goes on here.

[MissCheyenne]

Great, link to the threads that make everyone sound like racist, uncaring fucktards. What kind of shit merchant believes that everyone in this communtiy is like those idiots in those threads?!?!

[Grausamkeit]

The people who follow a blog that is the obvious 'authority' on Goth.

Maybe racist people are touching me in my sleep and it's rubbing off? Do I look racist today?

[FistsofFury]

Hrm. Well I found out this forum after looking up Sisters of Mercy articles I believe and lurked at first. So no goth authority led me here. I don't think y'all racist. I care about how ideas are expressed and the logic behind em. I don't expect to agree with everything.

Racists can practice mutual respect can't they? Bigots can be civil!

Even if some folk do have racist ideas (no matter what side): That's their problem. I don't care enough to 'change them' or 'show them the way'. I wish em all the best and keep on trucking. All while laughing at their silly attempts at ego boosting through warped group idealogy.

[Versus]

Originally Posted by FistsofFury

Hrm. Well I found out this forum after looking up Sisters of Mercy articles I believe and lurked at first. So no goth authority led me here. I don't think y'all racist. I care about how ideas are expressed and the logic behind em. I don't expect to agree with everything.

Racists can practice mutual respect can't they? Bigots can be civil!

Even if some folk do have racist ideas (no matter what side): That's their problem. I don't care enough to 'change them' or 'show them the way'. I wish em all the best and keep on trucking. All while laughing at their silly attempts at ego boosting through warped group idealogy.

Because nothing bad can come from a little harmless racism, right?

[Murder.Of.Crows]

This guy pisses me off. Right off the bat, he comes in here and starts posting "holier than thou" shit. Then runs off to his blog to bitch about a site he spent a few hours on.

[AshleyO]

Man... it's so easy to troll you guys. Nyarlethotep is my sock puppet. When will YOU people learn?

[Grausamkeit]

Oh, Versus, don't you know how cool those white supremacists are when they're not dragging minorities behind their trucks? As long as they're respectful, it's all good.
/sarcasm

Seriously? Racists can be respectful? Their whole belief system is based on disrespect and hate for others.

[Murder.Of.Crows]

Oh, how I have missed such antics. I think i might weep in joy for a couple minutes.

[Grausamkeit]

Goddamn you, Ashley!

[FistsofFury]

Originally Posted by Versus

Because nothing bad can come from a little harmless racism, right?

Because not a whole lot of bad can come from someone just speaking their mind on an internet forum. I'm very liberal can't you tell?

[Versus]

Originally Posted by FistsofFury

Because not a whole lot of bad can come from someone just speaking their mind on an internet forum. I'm very liberal can't you tell?

A blase attitude towards racism isn't an indication that you are liberal, it's an indication that you are privileged. Racism and bigotry isn't an opinion or different point of view. It's a false belief that people are inferior because of their race. It's a horrific thing and people like you, who tolerate such blatant injustice, are part of the reason that such a thing can proliferate in society. The appropriate response to racism is not to look the other way or mind your own business, but to vocally ostracize those who display it.

Actually, fuck that. The right thing to do is to fucking spit on them.

[MechaSaya]

Jesus. FistsofFury, I double dog dare you to say something back to him.

[Versus]

Meh. I'm too tired and sad to tea bag anyone right now.

[FistsofFury]

I tolerate it on an internet forum yes. I tolerate in conversation to a point.

It is a false belief you are correct. When I hear a false belief I want to challenge the structure of that belief. Doesn't mean I'm going to say nothing and it doesn't mean I am part of the problem.

Blatant injustice is getting attacked because of who you are. Injustice is getting targeted because of where you're from or what you look like. Someone saying some dumb shit is just talk. I am not going to get riled up over some bullshit like that. I'm not going to spit on someone that calls me a bad word I don't want to sink to their level.

[Pineapple_Juice]

Fuck this whole conversation. Catch was on TV?!

[Saya]

I love it when white people tell people of colour what is an appropriate response to oppression.

[AshleyO]

Originally Posted by Versus

A blase attitude towards racism isn't an indication that you are liberal, it's an indication that you are privileged. Racism and bigotry isn't an opinion or different point of view. It's a false belief that people are inferior because of their race. It's a horrific thing and people like you, who tolerate such blatant injustice, are part of the reason that such a thing can proliferate in society. The appropriate response to racism is not to look the other way or mind your own business, but to vocally ostracize those who display it.

Actually, fuck that. The right thing to do is to fucking spit on them.

*bropounds*

[Versus]

Originally Posted by FistsofFury

I tolerate it on an internet forum yes. I tolerate in conversation to a point.

It is a false belief you are correct. When I hear a false belief I want to challenge the structure of that belief. Doesn't mean I'm going to say nothing and it doesn't mean I am part of the problem.

Blatant injustice is getting attacked because of who you are. Injustice is getting targeted because of where you're from or what you look like. Someone saying some dumb shit is just talk. I am not going to get riled up over some bullshit like that. I'm not going to spit on someone that calls me a bad word I don't want to sink to their level.

So, I'm not really tracking what, exactly, you're trying to express. Are you saying that you're too much of a pussy, or that you're too fucking stupid to talk about this? Please elaborate.