My school councellor says I have issues.

[Godslayer Jillian]

I gagged at the thought of you talking about my lips.

[Unimatrix 00]

Originally Posted by Alarica

I really do hope someone kicks the living shit out of you one day. It will be the least you deserve, and your parents need a fucking slap for not raising you properly. Take the medication. Ritalin probably isnt the best med because you need a fucking cocktail of anti-psychotics. You feel no remorse, for any of your violent outbursts. That in itself screams psychopath, love. And the fact you think you can control the actions of people on a forum, just proves you are also delusional. Take the drugs. It will be the best thing you ever did.

Eh ... sorry to piss all over you, but you don't know fuck all. So you can't make stupid judgements like that. Please remove yourself from this thread.

[Unimatrix 00]

Oh you love it GJ. You'd just love me to piss all over you hahahaa

[$haDe]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I DROVE HER OFF!!
You guys owe me big

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Oh, hello again. You should practice the length of your goodbyes.

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

He's a dick as your a cunt.

Godslayer - 3

Unimatrix - err... 1 ?

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by JCC

I don't get it, is this post just you being a dick for the sake of acknowledgement?

No. I'm making a bit of a point here. Say your anarchist agenda is met. What if [bold]I[/bold] felt that my contribution to the anarchist society is to slaughter animals and make jerky and fine meats.

Let's say your collective votes that they want to be vegan. What happens to the one guy who wants to eat my jerky? Does he have that right to eat it, or is he now coerced by the massive majority of the vote to fall in line? What if he continues to disagree and wants a delicious steak from my collectivised farm? Is he now exiled from your own group because he refuses to let even 99.99999% of everyone to decide what's best for him? Maybe I'm missing something. Would it be a crime for him to even hunt, after ALL of the collectivized parts of civilization is now vegan after a time?

I wont deny that the action of what Uni did and what a slaughterer did were all that different. They weren't. But the intent was different and NO, I don't support needless abuse to animals. But I DO support humane methods of slaughtering animals for the nutrition of people who do not see it's in their best intrest to be vegan. Hell, while they're at it, so long as they're producing food in a humane way at slaughter farms, maybe they should produce leathers and wools as well. May as well use ALL of the animal.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

By the way, that's entirely wrong if you're talking about an 'anarchist agenda'
Synthetic fibers are cheaper and better. Empirically, this quality would increase and production cost would decrease under worker self-management.
There's no point in anarchists wanting to clothe themselves in mediocre fur they collect themselves by hunting, unless you're going for the individualist primitivist crock.

Are you implying that all anarchists should be vegan now? Duely noted on the synthetic fibers. On that part, I was wrong.

I'm all for this anarchy thing. It sounds fair, it sounds great. I even support it. But damn, sometimes I'd love to just sit down and enjoy a big juicy buffalo burger wrapped in bacon.

[Godslayer Jillian]

I don't want another debate of veganism, especially as I'm not one yet, but why the hell not?
When our involvement in the environment would be drastically reduced and the amount of food would either be at an impressive surplus with the same amount of effort, it hardly seems logical to not be a vegan.

[KontanKarite]

Well, there in lies a bit of a problem, Jillian. Do you really think everyone is just going to stop being the natural predators that they are?

I mean, I'm all for anarchy. But as an individual, I have absolutly no inclination or will to be a veggetarian. Of course, I'm talking about a person to person case here.

Jesus, I don't want to be a total dick, man. I really don't. But how are you going to stop people like me in a hypothetical anarchists society from eating meat? Even if somehow, all means of production leaned to a vegan agenda through a majortiy rule from collective to collective, then it looks like I'm just going to have to go hunting with makeshift rocks and traps.

They used to hunt tigers with these big ass holes with spikes at the bottom. I could do that.

I suppose what I'm getting at, is despite a total no-ruler, everyone is equal society where all my needs are met with very little effort on my part, I'm still going to do things that will piss off just about everyone, especially if hypothetical anarchist society deemed it best for me to just be vegan and deal with it.

I suppose in a way, I'm not really guilty of animal cruelty because technically, I'm just eating dead flesh. If anything, I'm dodging some arbitrary anarchist duty to society.

I propose that if we're all going to embrace veganism, we're all going to have to accept that we must free ALL animals from being food, to being spoiled pets in our homes. May as well go all the way and embrace a complete divorce from the animal kingdom all together.

[KontanKarite]

As a final thought, I may have already brought this up, but while killing a cat and slaughtering a cow is essentially the same action, the REASON why they're not technically comparable is because of the reason alone. There's something fucked about killing animals for shits and giggles and killing animals to ensure nutrition.

What Uni did is evidence of someone who has a tendancy to murder people.

It makes me wonder if there's a direct murderous correlation between psychopaths and those who slaughter animals for food. Wouldn't that be a wild discovery? To find out that all people who work in slaughter houses and meat farms are closet psychopaths?

OMG! I ate a deer! That means I'd kill a defensless kitten just to get my rocks off. Careful, I eat meat, I could kill your family because I eat meat and support the meat industry who are my fellow closet psychopaths. o_0

Addendum: Sorry for the assholish overdose of sarcasm.

[Alarica]

Originally Posted by Unimatrix 00

Eh ... sorry to piss all over you, but you don't know fuck all. So you can't make stupid judgements like that. Please remove yourself from this thread.

I assure you I know enough, and please dont piss on me. I dont want to risk catching anything. It is clear that if you had been raised properly, you wouldnt be a spiteful, arrogant, deluded cunt. Now jog off to a shrinks office and get back to us when you are dosed up nicely.

[gothicusmaximus]

You can have my KFC when you rip it from my cold, dead hands.

[Ms.Crowbar]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

So far, we have found that Ms. Crowbar is a moocher, a wuss, and an alcoholic. Damn... the chick is batting a thousand.

I'm hardly an alcoholic. I only drink at Christmas, New Year and at the odd birthday party or family gathering. My family gatherings are once every year.
I'm such an alcoholic. If you want alcoholic, go to Iceland this weekend. The Icelandics get pissed out of their skulls every weekend.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Kontan already addressed that. And how the fuck does your mind work?
Parents worry -> join a coven
Gun control -> karate masters
Insults -> brag about drinking prowess
Alcoholism -> Iceland

[Alarica]

Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

I'm hardly an alcoholic. I only drink at Christmas, New Year and at the odd birthday party or family gathering. My family gatherings are once every year.
I'm such an alcoholic. If you want alcoholic, go to Iceland this weekend. The Icelandics get pissed out of their skulls every weekend.

Regardless of how often you drink, you brag about how much you think you can handle. If you dont drink often, I doubt you can handle much at all.

And Icelandics get pissed every weekend and this is different to, say, your average 18-25yr old in the uk and scotland? Or perhaps, I dont know, say EVERY COUNTRY ACROSS THE GLOBE, how? I'm honestly curious.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

No. I'm making a bit of a point here. Say your anarchist agenda is met. What if [bold]I[/bold] felt that my contribution to the anarchist society is to slaughter animals and make jerky and fine meats.

Let's say your collective votes that they want to be vegan. What happens to the one guy who wants to eat my jerky? Does he have that right to eat it, or is he now coerced by the massive majority of the vote to fall in line? What if he continues to disagree and wants a delicious steak from my collectivised farm? Is he now exiled from your own group because he refuses to let even 99.99999% of everyone to decide what's best for him? Maybe I'm missing something. Would it be a crime for him to even hunt, after ALL of the collectivized parts of civilization is now vegan after a time?

I wont deny that the action of what Uni did and what a slaughterer did were all that different. They weren't. But the intent was different and NO, I don't support needless abuse to animals. But I DO support humane methods of slaughtering animals for the nutrition of people who do not see it's in their best intrest to be vegan. Hell, while they're at it, so long as they're producing food in a humane way at slaughter farms, maybe they should produce leathers and wools as well. May as well use ALL of the animal.

Well, since a vegan community would likely see meat-eating as murder, then you probably would be ostracized for it, the same as if you killed and ate a member of the community.

[Sir Canvas Corpsey]

Originally Posted by gothicusmaximus

You can have my KFC when you rip it from my cold, dead hands.

Amen

messagetooshort

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by JCC

Well, since a vegan community would likely see meat-eating as murder, then you probably would be ostracized for it, the same as if you killed and ate a member of the community.

Then I'll be sure not to come visiting, JCC. I'm sorry that our comradeship has come to an awkward junction by my refusal to be vegan. o_0 Can I still send you cards for Christmas?

[Godslayer Jillian]

You don't have to be so patronizing, Kontan. In the end, what kind of anarchist society would be one that has to sacrifice the well being of animals and the desires of the majority for the caprices of the few?
We have this society for that.

[Solumina]

Wow I'm rather sorry that I wasn't here when this thread was started. Uni I'm glad that you are talking to a professional. Don't be scared they can't force you to take meds, and if they try and insist that is what you need despite you saying that you don't want them then maybe you should see someone else such as a psychologist or clinical social worker (neither of which even have the ability to prescribe medications). If you want to have a more directed conversation without the distractions of off topic postings and/or pointless fightings then send me a pm, I'll try to help as best as I can both from the perspective of someone who has been to therapists, both good and bad, as well as someone who is studying to be one.

[KontanKarite]

Then set the animals free then... Henceforth, let it be known that animals should be set free outright and released back into the wild. I'm sure the murderous predators in the wild will love us for that.

Let's face it, if we want to embrace animal rights, we're going to have to go all the way and stop even having zoos and pets because it's potentially against their will to be pets and locked up.

God speed to the Pandas. o_0

[Saya]

Uh, why does not slaughtering animals anymore mean that we can't help conserve the species that are endangered?

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Saya

Uh, why does not slaughtering animals anymore mean that we can't help conserve the species that are endangered?

Would YOU want to be put in a cage all your life and held captive in a small place just so some other species can appreciate what you look like?

So we should NOT kill animals for our nutrition but animal enslavement is okay because it amuses us?

On a further note:


Remember, everyone. In an anarchist society, the life of a tuna is the same as your child. If your child kills a bumble bee, that child deserves to die.

Jillian, as much as I abhor the idea of one person or even a small handful of elites owning my life to even an iota of a degree, I also abhor the idea of having to fall in line with the popular public opinion.

I suppose in my case, I would fight the tyrannies of the elite few, but I will also fight as savagely against the people who think they know what's best for me.

[$haDe]

Originally Posted by Saya

Uh, why does not slaughtering animals anymore mean that we can't help conserve the species that are endangered?

Maybe the damages keep growing on its own.

People just stop, they left a huge damage and the nature can't heal itself.

Right ?



edit: Damn, I thought it was about the extinction I talked about in the other thread.

Sorry...

[Saya]

A lot of zoos nowadays are meant for species conservation, and its not really cramped cages anymore (although yes some zoos still do that, and thats wrong), they focus more on enclosures that resemble their natural habitat, also they rescue animals that were found. A lot of dumbasses will buy tigers and lions on the black market, and surprised they don't make great house pets, abandon them, or treat them badly. A while ago there was a tv show called Zoo Diaries that focused on the Toronto Zoo, they mentioned this and one episode focused on this bald eagle that they saved from a crack house, drug dealers apparently thought she'd make a great guard. We have a nature park here that just encloses rescued wild animals, those that can be released are released, those who are too dependant on humans (raised in captivity, I remember they had a snowy owl that lost a wing), have huge enclosures in actual woods. Not only is it for species conservation but also makes for an exotic animal shelter.

So yeah, we shouldn't kill animals for our enjoyment (seeing as you can get all your nutrients from other sources), but animal conservation out of compassion and love for them is fine.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

I would fight the tyrannies of the elite few, but I will also fight as savagely against the people who think they know what's best for me.

They're not saying what's best for you. They're thinking what's best for them, and your idea of what's best for you limits what's best for them.
As individuals they have a reason not to help your indulgence, but you believe that their lack of help is actually a form of oppression, because you have stopped looking at them like individuals, and you think of them as a collective that's trying to make you conform. This is simply not true.