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Politics "Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -and both commonly succeed, and are right."
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02-24-2014, 07:37 AM
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#126
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Thank you jesus, we're saved. You have sent us a strait white cis man that has the balls to stand up to PoC.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
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02-24-2014, 07:46 AM
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#127
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Join Date: Feb 2014
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Originally Posted by Versus
Thank you jesus, we're saved. You have sent us a strait white cis man that has the balls to stand up to PoC.
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I have the stones to stand up against racist ideas and racist speech, no matter who it comes from.
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02-24-2014, 07:53 AM
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#128
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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You brave soul. If only there were more like you to put me in my place.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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02-24-2014, 07:59 AM
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#129
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,700
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Somebody call Kenny Loggins cause Skippy is in the DANGER ZONE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK0P1Bk8Cx4&hd=1
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"Women hold up half the sky" -Mao
"God always picks the strangest things to get angry about. Get an abortion or gay married and he'll aim a tornado right at you.
Rip off a million poor people and Wall street has no problems. " -Rebecca B
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02-24-2014, 09:36 AM
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#130
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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I have an idea.
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Originally Posted by Skippy
I'll stop when they admit their logical fallacy that racism against whites isn't racism.
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How about this. You put your money where your fucking mouth is or shut the fuck up. I challenge you to provide actual evidence instead of talking out your ass.
I can show you a mountain of shit that demonstrates PoC are systemically treated worse in America than white people. Not some bullshit anecdotal story or article, but actual fucking tangible, systemic, evidence. You cannot provide a single fucking statistic.
You show me that white people suffer tangibly and systemically from discrimination to actually compare to PoC and I will tell you that I was wrong and probably think about a lot of shit aside from that. You can even join our discussion about colorism.
I already know you won't, but go ahead and take your time trying. I'll wait.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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02-24-2014, 12:59 PM
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#131
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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I don't think anyone ever said racism against whites isn't racism.
All we've been saying is that YOU don't get racism.
I'm beginning to think you're not racist in any meaningful sense after all; just a very sad and lonely man who thinks if the world tells him he's doing something wrong, then the world is the one that owes him an apology.
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Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly
You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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real classy
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02-24-2014, 01:23 PM
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#132
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Join Date: Jun 2011
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Technically Alan, I would argue that racism really is discrimination + power. So from the get-go, racism isn't some zero sum game that we all technically have an equal standing in. I think the confusion that Skippy is having is the conflict between layman high school education level concepts of racism and racism as it's understood through critical race theories. The problem then lies in the fact that Skippy's understanding of racism simply isn't sufficient enough of an understanding of the phenomenon though he's privileged enough to think he can come in and tell us all what it really is. It's literally like some middle school science fair winner coming into a chemistry lab and insisting that all we really need to understand is that vinegar plus baking soda makes the fizzies go wild.
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"Women hold up half the sky" -Mao
"God always picks the strangest things to get angry about. Get an abortion or gay married and he'll aim a tornado right at you.
Rip off a million poor people and Wall street has no problems. " -Rebecca B
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02-24-2014, 02:23 PM
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#133
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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I agree with that, but there is still racism against white people. It's common that people have taken up the argument that white people are systemically discriminated as a minority in other countries.
That's fair enough. It still doesn't show how minorities in other countries somehow mean that they in America have suffered as much as slaves did, but whatever, it's true that racism against whites exist.
However as you say it's important if we continue this to either distinguish between racism and bigotry, or understand that sometimes when one says racism they're really talking about bigotry and then make clear which one we're talking about.
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Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly
You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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02-24-2014, 10:35 PM
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#134
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Tried that like 10 pages ago and it's the point that I'm trying to lead to.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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02-25-2014, 02:38 AM
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#135
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Originally Posted by Alan
It's common that people have taken up the argument that white people are systemically discriminated as a minority in other countries.
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I would argue that a lot of that is a reaction to western imperialism and exploitation. White people still are perceived with a lot of credibility in countries where they are the minority.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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03-01-2014, 08:34 PM
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#136
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Join Date: Feb 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Versus
I have an idea.
How about this. You put your money where your fucking mouth is or shut the fuck up. I challenge you to provide actual evidence instead of talking out your ass.
I can show you a mountain of shit that demonstrates PoC are systemically treated worse in America than white people. Not some bullshit anecdotal story or article, but actual fucking tangible, systemic, evidence. You cannot provide a single fucking statistic.
You show me that white people suffer tangibly and systemically from discrimination to actually compare to PoC and I will tell you that I was wrong and probably think about a lot of shit aside from that. You can even join our discussion about colorism.
I already know you won't, but go ahead and take your time trying. I'll wait.
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It has taken place right in front of you.
You and others on here have been part of it.
You're blind to that fact or you really just don't want to admit that you are part of it, because deep down you feel guilt for it, or are angry that I called you on it.
And because I dared to call you on it you are angry, the only thing is though I don't know if you are angry at me or if you are really angry at yourself for doing the same thing you accuse others of doing.
But to give a better example of what I'm talking about.....
Black on white race driven crime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkxMUbXFVWE
Notice that all of these instances were only covered on local media, and very few if any received national attention.
And also notice how the situation would have been reversed if the skin color of the perps was white.
It would be covered for months on national media.
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03-01-2014, 08:43 PM
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#137
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Join Date: Feb 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I agree with that, but there is still racism against white people. It's common that people have taken up the argument that white people are systemically discriminated as a minority in other countries.
That's fair enough. It still doesn't show how minorities in other countries somehow mean that they in America have suffered as much as slaves did, but whatever, it's true that racism against whites exist.
However as you say it's important if we continue this to either distinguish between racism and bigotry, or understand that sometimes when one says racism they're really talking about bigotry and then make clear which one we're talking about.
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What I have been saying all along, and what I think is lost on a number of people is that racism has no known boundaries or is only used in one given instance.
What you have been saying is that it can only be perpetrated by one group in a given area, not taking into account the individual experiences, regardless of who is the minority/majority group.
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03-02-2014, 05:42 PM
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#138
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Originally Posted by Skippy
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1. That video shows edited, unrelated, and cherry-picked anecdotal news stories that don't even unanimously presume a racial motivation. I could give you a thousand others as well, all of which are equally useless except to highlight individual pain. Instead, I'll give you a relevant study that shows that black people are 2.8 times more likely to be murdered by a white person that a white person is to be murdered by a black person, despite that about 57% of people encounter by any given black person is white while about 3% of people encounter by any given white person is black. Also have you even looked at the other videos of the uploader(s)? Cracker Von Patriarch needs to stay off the internet.
http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/nazis-cant-do-math-reflections-on-racism-crime-and-the-illiteracy
-of-right-wing-statistical-analysis/
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Originally Posted by Skippy
Notice that all of these instances were only covered on local media, and very few if any received national attention.
And also notice how the situation would have been reversed if the skin color of the perps was white.
It would be covered for months on national media.
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2. Actually a study showed that stories with a white victims of violent crime were 74% longer and white victims got 2.3 times more coverage than black or Hispanic victims. This is what I was fucking telling you when I said you were talking out of your ass. Please fucking tell me that you want a source for that because I can give many.
3. I want you to read what "Systemic" means.
4. I said that I wanted comparable evidence. Com-par-a-ble. As in basically every facet life.
The point that I'm making is that there is a difference between discrimination and racism. White people can be discriminated, but it's not supported by a system of power and oppression.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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03-02-2014, 09:37 PM
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#139
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Join Date: Feb 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Versus
1. That video shows edited, unrelated, and cherry-picked anecdotal news stories that don't even unanimously presume a racial motivation. I could give you a thousand others as well, all of which are equally useless except to highlight individual pain. Instead, I'll give you a relevant study that shows that black people are 2.8 times more likely to be murdered by a white person that a white person is to be murdered by a black person, despite that about 57% of people encounter by any given black person is white while about 3% of people encounter by any given white person is black. Also have you even looked at the other videos of the uploader(s)? Cracker Von Patriarch needs to stay off the internet.
http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/nazis-cant-do-math-reflections-on-racism-crime-and-the-illiteracy
-of-right-wing-statistical-analysis/
2. Actually a study showed that stories with a white victims of violent crime were 74% longer and white victims got 2.3 times more coverage than black or Hispanic victims. This is what I was fucking telling you when I said you were talking out of your ass. Please fucking tell me that you want a source for that because I can give many.
3. I want you to read what "Systemic" means.
4. I said that I wanted comparable evidence. Com-par-a-ble. As in basically every facet life.
The point that I'm making is that there is a difference between discrimination and racism. White people can be discriminated, but it's not supported by a system of power and oppression.
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You want comparable here you go....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrILMqDU2U ruled as a hate crime immediately.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J56g28YUo4 How many have been ruled as hate crimes and how long was this going on before the MSM picked it up?
I'm not saying that what has taken place is right, it's a deplorable act no matter who is carrying out the act.
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03-03-2014, 04:26 AM
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#140
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Before I tear your bullshit apart would you fucking please respond to my entire post and stop cherry-picking for once.
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Woke up with fifty enemies plottin' my death
All fifty seein' visions of me shot in the chest
Couldn't rest, nah nigga I was stressed
Had me creepin' 'round corners, homie sleepin' in my vest.
-Breathin, Tupac.
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