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06-03-2009, 06:14 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Fuck you Whybray
OLD TESTAMENT!
Been working on my Hebrew Bible essay on Proverbs 8:22-31 again and I'm just getting so fucking annoyed with some of the scholars and authors who've written on this topic.
You find even the slightest allusion to polytheism in the passage and they either pounce on it and attempt to tear it apart with alternate translations or they just gloss over it and say: Well that can't be, they were Monotheists like us! Ahahahaha!
Fuck you all assholes, they lived in a primarily polytheistic area and before they become Monotheists they were Monistic believing in one god for them but acknowledging other gods. Not too mention before they even had their particular religion which was Monistic, that they were part of Polytheistic religious groups.
Why are all the Christian authors so fucking concerned with maintaining pure monotheism in an ancient text that was clearly influenced by it's monistic heritage and polytheistic surroundings.
Clifford for example, while generally quite awesome just dismisses a comparison of Woman Wisdom and Maat because "Maat is unlikely model" (doesn't explain why, they seem pretty fucking similar to me) and because "dancing is unrelated to the work of Wisdom"... how fucking so?
From a modern perspective, if a dancer dances well and it is their job then they are fulfilling the prerequisites for being wise by these definitions.
Now from their perspective, Woman Wisdom has elements of polytheism seeping in everywhere, most likely the concept was derived from the typical Chief God and Goddess element of the run of the mill pantheon and compensating for it within a monotheistic setting. If you accept this as being reality then how is dancing NOT related to the work of this pseudo-Goddess whose description draws way too many parallels with Maat for it just to be a co-incy-dinc.
It doesn't help that the verb for 'rejoicing' can also be translated as 'dancing' and it has been multiple times within the Old Testament (Terrien explores this in wonderful depth) and that Woman Wisdom just happens to 'rejoice'/'dance' before YHWH.
I could go on but I've exhausted my anger for now, and I've still got plenty to write on this essay.
Yes, I also realise how little reference material I've offered in this rant, and how little support there is for my arguments because of that, you'll just have to trust me that the books and info is with me right now and I just don't feel like writing a proper essay when I still have the one due for assessment to do.
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06-04-2009, 12:36 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Big shit. Every topic attracts its share of stupid scholarship. Any theologian who actually believes that the Old Testament and early Jewish texts incorporate no polytheistic undercurrents is scarce respected, except perhaps for his or her skillful self-delusion.
I'm hoping my feeling is wrong and this post isn't intended to be impressive, because I doubt anyone who so much as googled the Old Testament, much less went to half a day of Hebrew School, would find it anything but redundant.
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06-04-2009, 03:02 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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It's religion, man. Up is down, black is white, and Jesus is Lord. Right now I am having a debate with a guy who claims that Jephthah doesn't sacrifice his daughter in Judges 11:30-40. And not long ago I read an article claiming - I shit you not - that not only does Romans 1 not condemn homosexuality, but specifically condones it. You can't make this shit up. But apologists, apparently, can.
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06-04-2009, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
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It's not meant to be impressive GM mostly just meant to vent how frustrated i was with a little bit of background, mind you I don't do Hebrew (not yet, next year maybe), the Hebrew Bible Class is more or less just a unit devoted to introducing the different OT books where we finish every lecture by getting together and singing songs in Hebrew (with transliterated lyrics courtesy of Meryl, our lecturer)
I'm barely through my 1st Semester of my 1st year, I'm an Undergraduate who still has a long way to go, I'm not going to delude myself into thinking I'm something special (yet).
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06-18-2009, 02:06 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: England, South Glos, Bristol
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Nice ass.....
Yay for Testament!
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06-19-2009, 12:25 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sheffield UK.
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Knowing Ducky, it's probably a cropped picture of a bent finger.
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06-19-2009, 11:21 AM
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Looks more like a chubby baby arm
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06-19-2009, 07:40 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still Jack
Knowing Ducky, it's probably a cropped picture of a bent finger.
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That's what I think.
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