*blood boils*

KontanKarite · 08-08-2008, 12:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-PcS-s9WtQ

...The whole fucking room just sat there...

peacebear5028 · 08-08-2008, 12:37 AM

Oh yes I remember when this happened.
He was getting a bit worked up but he shouldnt have been tasered. I expected more out of you John Kerry.
If I was in that room I would have started going off about the suppression of the voices of the people.

Joker_in_the_Pack · 08-08-2008, 12:47 AM

Shit, I would have gotten some people and bum rushed the cops. I'm still glad Kerry lost the election, I have no idea how the democrats found someone worse than George Bush to run in 2004, but they did it.

metum_capere · 08-08-2008, 05:49 AM

"don't tase me bro!"
it was really a publicity stunt by some annoying frat boy. that was a big scandal here, but it turns out the 'victim' has a long history of attrating so much attention. John Kerry should have done something in this case, I agree. What pisses me off though is that the 'victim' in this case was really trying to get some serious questions answered, and was removed by the thought police before Kerry could put his spin on the question at hand.
There is little freedom here. Little democracy either.

gothicusmaximus · 08-08-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by metum_capere

"don't tase me bro!"
it was really a publicity stunt by some annoying frat boy. that was a big scandal here, but it turns out the 'victim' has a long history of attrating so much attention.

I'm almost certain that was disproved. The only evidence in support of that idea was a video, displayed on his website, depicting his friends standing on the side of the road holding up a sign that spoiled the seventh Harry Potter book.

Underwater Ophelia · 08-08-2008, 07:46 AM

I think it says a lot about him that he didn't get violent, even when they were forcibly removing him from the mic.

JCC · 08-08-2008, 07:51 AM

I love this clip, it's hilarious. I mean, I'm against the suppression of his views and everything, but c'mon:

"DON'T TASE ME BRO!"

KontanKarite · 08-08-2008, 11:44 AM

He didn't have to do anything. I would have at LEAST moved the cops away from him. This kind of shit is completely uncalled for.

Underwater Ophelia · 08-08-2008, 12:06 PM

What the cops did was completely legal.
Wrong, but legal.

KontanKarite · 08-08-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

What the cops did was completely legal.
Wrong, but legal.

Legal doesn't make it right. I'm not talking about legalities. It's legal for the cops to spy on you. So what weight does legality hold in right and wrong?

TurquoiseXx · 08-08-2008, 12:18 PM

Thanks for the link Kontan. Although the guy couldn't control himself, he was asking important questions that should have been answered. The police went way overboard - it just goes to show what happens when people ask the right questions in this country.

Underwater Ophelia · 08-08-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Legal doesn't make it right. I'm not talking about legalities. It's legal for the cops to spy on you. So what weight does legality hold in right and wrong?

Dude.
I also said it's wrong.

If you aren't going to bother reading my entire post carefully, why bother responding to it?

I explicitly said it's wrong.

KontanKarite · 08-08-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

Dude.
I also said it's wrong.

If you aren't going to bother reading my entire post carefully, why bother responding to it?

I explicitly said it's wrong.

Look, I know you said that. Let me ask you this. What point are you trying to make that it's legal? Oh, it's wrong, but it's okay because someone says so?

Godslayer Jillian · 08-08-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

What the cops did was completely legal.
Wrong, but legal.

It's not legal to arrest him without telling him the offense he committed.
He gets arrested, gets thrown in jail for a day or two until he can get his trial, and then the whole proceeding is nullified because no one ever told him what he was arrested for (and his rights were not read)
The cops are not punished for throwing him in jail until he can get to court to be declared innocent, but the reason for arresting someone is because there is positive evidence that the person is guilty of some charges.
It is an illegal action, with no repercussions to the police, that is heavily used against protesters. In Seattle hundreds and hundreds of people were arrested and I believe not one of them was sentenced guilty. They only did it to clear out the streets as there are no repercussions to it.

KontanKarite · 08-08-2008, 01:57 PM

I rest my case. Something about how those cops handled it didn't strike me as at all done correctly.

Underwater Ophelia · 08-08-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

It's not legal to arrest him without telling him the offense he committed.
He gets arrested, gets thrown in jail for a day or two until he can get his trial, and then the whole proceeding is nullified because no one ever told him what he was arrested for (and his rights were not read)
The cops are not punished for throwing him in jail until he can get to court to be declared innocent, but the reason for arresting someone is because there is positive evidence that the person is guilty of some charges.
It is an illegal action, with no repercussions to the police, that is heavily used against protesters. In Seattle hundreds and hundreds of people were arrested and I believe not one of them was sentenced guilty. They only did it to clear out the streets as there are no repercussions to it.

It's not really shown whether or not he was read his rights. The camera may have not caught it.
Even if they didn't just then, when they removed him from the room they may have, which is perfectly legal because he was resisting arrest.

The gathering took place on private property, and if you don't leave as soon as you're asked--you're trespassing.
They tried to get him for trespassing, but he resisted arrest.
Everything they did was legal.

And Kontan, the reason I pointed that out was because a few people claimed that what the police did was illegal, which it was not.

KontanKarite · 08-08-2008, 06:31 PM

Again, I'm not talking about legalities here.

onedarkly1 · 08-08-2008, 06:44 PM

Unfortunately, the Law and doing the right thing, morally, ethically, etc. are not always in accord.

The law has been recognized by many great scholars and historians, when utilized as a forged weapon, as the greatest vehicle for change in our society. It has also been recognized as a terrible instrument of repression.

We, the people are the only real arbiters when such acts happen.
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onyxprop · 08-08-2008, 06:48 PM

Did you know, that you can get an orgasm by getting tasered?

Godslayer Jillian · 08-08-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

Even if they didn't just then, when they removed him from the room they may have, which is perfectly legal because he was resisting arrest.

You know, that now makes me wonder. If you did nothing wrong but they try to arrest you, then they can arrest you because you're resisting arrest. But if there was no reason to be arrested in the first place so that you might have resisted it, then what would the court decision be?

MitsyMayhem · 08-08-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by onedarkly1

Unfortunately, the Law and doing the right thing, morally, ethically, etc. are not always in accord.

Tell me about it. I've been involved with the police and he didn't even bother to tell me what exactly I had to go to court for.
It was stupid, not to mention ridiculous and unfair.
Or more importantly, ask about the situation.
He just naturally assumed that I was guilty and was all "You can't keep pulling this stunt..blah blah..."
I really don't like police.
At least the one's down here.
They stink and speak with an irritating southern accent.

Godslayer Jillian · 08-08-2008, 07:01 PM

A tip. As I said before, if they don't read you your rights, then you can appeal the case and you'll be free.
Also in a manifestation, if you don't know someone, or that someone looks downright suspicious, ask them directly "are you a narc?"
If a narc is asked whether he's a narc, he has to answer truthfully. Otherwise it's just like tapping a phone illegally and his testimony cannot count in a trial.

onedarkly1 · 08-08-2008, 07:02 PM

Police officers and authority figures in general, usually don’t like to have their authority challenged or questioned. That of course causes frustration for those, like you, on the receiving end of a said action.

Usually, the best course of action is to remain calm, and talk with legal counsel as soon as possible.
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CptSternn · 08-09-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

A tip. As I said before, if they don't read you your rights, then you can appeal the case and you'll be free.
Also in a manifestation, if you don't know someone, or that someone looks downright suspicious, ask them directly "are you a narc?"
If a narc is asked whether he's a narc, he has to answer truthfully. Otherwise it's just like tapping a phone illegally and his testimony cannot count in a trial.

Thats actually an urban myth. They don't have to tell you anything. Also, they can and do tap phones illegally, then justify the tap after the fact, after the arrest. Yes, its illegal, but since bush took office it has been done many, many times.

Godslayer Jillian · 08-09-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CptSternn

Thats actually an urban myth.

Damn! My only line of defense is breached.