How Left is too Left?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Zabijej

Way to make it personal.

I'm done with this. I have no clue where your brain is.

I said exactly why you have no fucking clue. You on the other hand just said I have no brain without saying why you think that.
It's not me who is personal. I'm rude, but at least I'm right. You just obviously don't know anything about politics as proven by this thread. Nice way to try to give up without admitting you're wrong.

[Zabijej]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I said exactly why you have no fucking clue. You on the other hand just said I have no brain without saying why you think that.
It's not me who is personal. I'm rude, but at least I'm right. You just obviously don't know anything about politics as proven by this thread. Nice way to try to give up without admitting you're wrong.

Because I have no idea what you're trying to say. Far left? Are you talking about radical feminists, anarchists, militant athiests, and people who view stealing as "liberating"?

I tried to clarify what I was talking about in the case of a misunderstanding, but you just kept saying "you don't know anything" without even providing information. Maybe I would have learned something by now?

[Godslayer Jillian]

I told you precisely what is the left and what is the right and you still don't fucking get it.
Just look at the bullshit you just wrote. The far left includes "militant athiests, and people who view stealing as "liberating"" [sic]
You're a fucking idiot.

[Saya]

Seriously? Radical feminists? Is the belief that we are all truly equal really exclusive to the scary far left?

[Godslayer Jillian]

There are radical feminists. Very different from liberal feminists*
But I bet you this guy thinks radical feminists are those that believe men are inferior and shit.


* the use of liberal here is not slanderous. Feminism has its branches and the more normal one is called liberal feminism while the more, well, legitimately racial one is called radical feminism

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

There are radical feminists. Very different from liberal feminists*
But I bet you this guy thinks radical feminists are those that believe men are inferior and shit.


* the use of liberal here is not slanderous. Feminism has its branches and the more normal one is called liberal feminism while the more, well, legitimately racial one is called radical feminism

But Radical Feminism as a movement at times clashed with the left (they viewed the left as being too male dominated), you didn't have to be leftist just to be a radical feminist, although several radical feminists were Marxist or socialist or anarchist. I think feminism as a whole does tend to favor the left, but generally because the left is more open to issues of abortion, birth control and sex education, as opposed to the right including this guy who is apparently all for freedom, as long as it doesn't include late term or partial birth abortion.

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by Saya

But Radical Feminism as a movement at times clashed with the left (they viewed the left as being too male dominated), you didn't have to be leftist just to be a radical feminist, although several radical feminists were Marxist or socialist or anarchist. I think feminism as a whole does tend to favor the left, but generally because the left is more open to issues of abortion, birth control and sex education, as opposed to the right including this guy who is apparently all for freedom, as long as it doesn't include late term or partial birth abortion.

Also, the fact that late term or partial birth abortions aren't in your normal frame of abortion. Unlike early term abortions, that are sought by mothers not wanting a child, late term abortions are normally mothers that wanted the child and testing showed that there was something seriously wrong with the fetus or there's complications in the pregnancy that put the mother in serious danger if she chooses to deliver the child.

[Zabijej]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I told you precisely what is the left and what is the right and you still don't fucking get it.
Just look at the bullshit you just wrote. The far left includes "militant athiests, and people who view stealing as "liberating"" [sic]
You're a fucking idiot.

Your answers were vague as the sky is big. The left is apparently freedom, while the right is MONARCHYAUTHORITARIANOPPRESSIONJACKASSES.

I can't believe you took that answer seriously. I was being sarcastic.

What's RIGHT about late term or partial birth abortion? By the third trimester, it's obviously a baby and it can live outside the mother's body. If someone doesn't realise they're pregnant and don't want their baby up until the 3rd trimester, they're slow as fuck - if they wait that long, why not just put it up for adoption, not suck its brains out when it's halfway out their cunt? If you're going to support that, we might as well start euthanizing unwanted children.

*exception: if having the child will kill the mother. Nevertheless, tests for that kind of thing should be done as early as possible.

[Onyx]

Originally Posted by Zabijej

Your answers were vague as the sky is big. The left is apparently freedom, while the right is MONARCHYAUTHORITARIANOPPRESSIONJACKASSES.

I can't believe you took that answer seriously. I was being sarcastic.

What's RIGHT about late term or partial birth abortion? By the third trimester, it's obviously a baby and it can live outside the mother's body. If someone doesn't realise they're pregnant and don't want their baby up until the 3rd trimester, they're slow as fuck - if they wait that long, why not just put it up for adoption, not suck its brains out when it's halfway out their cunt? If you're going to support that, we might as well start euthanizing unwanted children.

*exception: if having the child will kill the mother. Nevertheless, tests for that kind of thing should be done as early as possible.

Because, sometimes it doesn't become apparent that there's something wrong with the baby until after 6 months. Also, the term partial birth abortion is pretty misleading. It isn't like the baby is full term and they wait until she's delivering then kill it as its coming out.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Zabijej

What's RIGHT about late term or partial birth abortion? By the third trimester, it's obviously a baby and it can live outside the mother's body. If someone doesn't realise they're pregnant and don't want their baby up until the 3rd trimester, they're slow as fuck - if they wait that long, why not just put it up for adoption, not suck its brains out when it's halfway out their cunt? If you're going to support that, we might as well start euthanizing unwanted children.

I have my own opinions about abortion, but we're talking about the fucking left here.

IF you believe abortion has anything to do with the political spectrum, then here's even more evidence that you're a fucking idiot.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Zabijej

What's RIGHT about late term or partial birth abortion? By the third trimester, it's obviously a baby and it can live outside the mother's body. If someone doesn't realise they're pregnant and don't want their baby up until the 3rd trimester, they're slow as fuck - if they wait that long, why not just put it up for adoption, not suck its brains out when it's halfway out their cunt? If you're going to support that, we might as well start euthanizing unwanted children.

*exception: if having the child will kill the mother. Nevertheless, tests for that kind of thing should be done as early as possible.

For one thing, partial birth abortion is a term the anti-choice movement coined, its not a real procedure.

The third trimester doesn't start until the 28th week, late term abortion is considered an abortion taken place at or after the 20th week, in the second trimester. A decision to abort into the third trimester is extremely rare (.08% of all abortions), and is done if the mother is at risk of dying or being severely disabled, if the baby has already died or if the baby is expected to die. There are also cases where it is discovered that the baby will be severely disabled all its life even if it does survive and the parents do not want their child to live in that agony, but that kind of euthanasia may be illegal:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/mag...term_abortion/

[Godslayer Jillian]

Saya, don't get into abortion. It has nothing to do with left or right. He's only trying to use a red herring.

[Saya]

Sorry Alan, my point was though that apparently as a Libertarian he's all for personal freedom and keeping the government out of our personal lives except when it comes to trusting women to make their own decisions when it comes to their bodies.

[Zabijej]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I have my own opinions about abortion, but we're talking about the fucking left here.

IF you believe abortion has anything to do with the political spectrum, then here's even more evidence that you're a fucking idiot.

you brought it up.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Hah! Really now? Tell me where.

[Onyx]

Zabijej first broached the subject as something that, while generally agreeing with the right, they supported. Late term and partial birth being the exception. To which I piped in to clarify the general purpose of late term and partial birth abortions. Then it all degraded from there.