A little frog with your soda?

[Saya]

(CNN) -- The "disgusting" blob that Fred DeNegri's wife says she poured out of his Diet Pepsi can was probably a gutted frog or toad, the Food and Drug Administration said.

DeNegri was grilling in his backyard tiki bar in Ormond Beach, Florida, when he popped open a can of Diet Pepsi, took a big gulp and started gagging, his wife, Amy, said.

He emptied out the can down a sink but something heavy remained inside. His wife took over and shook the can over a paper plate until something resembling "pink linguini" slid out, followed by "dark stuff," Amy DeNegri said.

"It was disgusting," said Amy DeNegri, 55. "And now, what started out as a normal afternoon in our tiki bar has blown up into this crazy thing."

The DeNegris took pictures before calling poison control and the FDA, which showed up the next day to examine the can in question and collect it for lab testing.

The couple received a copy of the completed report last week from the Food and Drug Administration Office of Regulatory Affairs, which concluded the foreign matter appeared to be a frog or a toad.

"The animal was lacking internal organs normally found in the abdominal and thoracic cavity," the report notes.

A second, closed can from the same 36-pack of Diet Pepsi from Sam's Club, was also submitted for testing, according to Amy DeNegri. No abnormalities were detected, the report states.

The FDA also conducted an investigation at the local Pepsi bottling plant in Orlando from August 4 to 11 and "did not find any adverse conditions or association to this problem," spokeswoman Siobhan DeLancey said.

"We have not determined when or how the contamination occurred," DeLancey said in an e-mail.

Pepsi says the FDA results "affirmed" the company's confidence "in the quality of our products and the integrity of our manufacturing system," according to spokesman Jeff Dahncke.

"The speed of our production lines and the rigor of our quality control systems make it virtually impossible for this type of thing to happen in a production environment. In fact, there never has been even a single instance when a claim of this nature has been traced back to a manufacturing issue," Dahncke said in an e-mail.

"The FDA conducted a thorough inspection of our Orlando facility and found no cause for concern. In this case, the FDA simply was unable to determine when or how the specimen entered the package."

When asked if Pepsi believed it was not responsible for the animal getting into the can, Dahncke said, "We have addressed the facts of the investigation and stated our position. It's not appropriate for us to comment beyond that."

But the DeNegris say they're hopping mad over Pepsi's handling of the matter.

Amy DeNegri said she hasn't heard from Pepsi since the day after the incident occurred, when she spoke with someone over the phone. At first, the woman was apologetic, but DeNegri says her attitude changed after she told her that the FDA had taken the can for testing.

"She asked for my pictures, I sent them and never heard back," she said.

The retired school staffer says she and her husband are seeking legal advice to examine their options.

"I want to see Pepsi fess up to it and compensate my husband for the negative publicity they have caused," she said. "I'm easy, but they're the ones that are making it hard."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/02/fro...can/index.html

At work they have cheap Coke and Pepsi vending machines, so I was off the soda wagon for the last two weeks. This, David Suzuki's book and my sour stomach motives me to go buy a water bottle tomorrow and never look at the rotten stuff again.

[Starke von Oben]

David Suzuki has an agenda and shouldn't be trusted.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

David Suzuki is the greatest Canadian evar!!1! and I want to have his babies.

Yes, he is quite awesome.

[Starke von Oben]

Suzuki is a liar.

He told the world that scientists who deny climate change are "shills", who act on behalf of big corporations out of self interest and personal profit. The lie came when he claimed, knowing full well that he was lying, that "corporations have not been that interested in funding us [his foundation]", and that all their funds only came from "ordinary Canadians". In contrast he claimed that big corporations only fund scientists that propose climate change is a politically charged myth.

And yet no less than 52 corporations have given financial backing to the David Suzuki Foundation, among them Microsoft and Warner Brothers.

You need only look at his own annual report, which his foundation published to see the lie in detail:

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/files/DSF...-final-web.pdf

What David Suzuki passes for the truth is anyone's guess.

[Saya]

If you actually read the report, its not Microsoft that donates the money but the Microsoft Matching Gifts Program, like many of the corporations listed there the money comes from the employee's pocket, not the actual corporation. The vast majority of his organization's donations are less than 500 dollars a piece, and the Microsoft and Warner Bros donations are under the 500 dollar mark as well. So he was right that individuals donate far more than corporations do.

Regardless, even if he was bad at accounting doesn't mean he's bad at science.

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

If you actually read the report

I did, before you even knew it existed.

Regardless, even if he was bad at accounting doesn't mean he's bad at science.

A scientist who goes around calling his collegues "shills" obviously is politically motivated, and all true scientists are apolitical in their work. Just because he disagrees with the results of other leading scientists that does not give him the right to decry them as something they're not, purely for his ideological state of mind.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

I did, and before you even knew it existed.

Not at all, I read his wikipedia page too.

A scientist who goes around calling his collegues "shills" obviously is politically motivated, and all true scientists are apolitical in their work. Just because he disagrees with the results of someone else that does not give him the right to decry them as something their not, purely for his ideological state of mind.

Because its a "no shit Sherlock" statement that scientist felt pressured to discount global warming because of politics. It was a political issue long before he said anything about it.

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

Because its a "no shit Sherlock" statement that scientist felt pressured to discount global warming because of politics. It was a political issue long before he said anything about it.

Climate change is just another doomsday prophecy, one among countless many others that history is littered with.

It will pass, and before long they'll replace it with another. This is merely a scientific counterpart to a Biblical Armageddon, and I'm of the opinion that it's part of the human condition to expect or yearn for an end of the world purely because we ourselves are mortal and pass away.

The truth is that fossil fuels are running out and we need renewable energy to power our modern industrialized world, otherwise it will collapse. The best solution to kick a populace into adopting it is via scaremongering, which is the hallmark of politics.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

Climate change is just another doomsday prophecy, one among countless many others that history is littered with.

It will pass, and before long they'll replace it with another. This is merely a scientific counterpart to a Biblical Armageddon, and I'm of the opinion that it's part of the human condition to expect or yearn for an end of the world purely because we ourselves are mortal and pass away.

The truth is that fossil fuels are running out and we need renewable energy to power our modern industrialized world, otherwise it will collapse. The best solution to kick a populace into adopting it is via scaremongering, which is the hallmark of politics.

Yup, its just a giant conspiracy by scientists all over the world, like dinosaurs. Its not like governments, politicians, corporations and individuals have to be poked and prodded to reduce and recycle, let alone anything else. David Suzuki correctly saying individuals contribute more to his organization proves that he's a liar and that polar bears aren't going extinct.

And really, do you have a problem with his stance that soda isn't good for you or the environment or not?

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

Yup, its just a giant conspiracy by scientists all over the world, like dinosaurs. Its not like governments, politicians, corporations and individuals have to be poked and prodded to reduce and recycle, let alone anything else. David Suzuki correctly saying individuals contribute more to his organization proves that he's a liar and that polar bears aren't going extinct.

If people weren't poked and prodded nothing would get done in this world.

As for polar bears, I must confess an indifference as to whether they live or die.

And really, do you have a problem with his stance that soda isn't good for you or the environment or not?

If I did have a problem with it, that's my prerogative.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

If people weren't poked and prodded nothing would get done in this world.

As for polar bears, I must confess an indifference as to whether they live or die.

I must confess global warming isn't a big worry for me either. Suzuki does point out however that pollution is freakin' unhealthy and our lifestyles are damn well destructive and unsustainable, and a lot of measures we can take to manage our impact are pretty easy. Even if you did disprove global warming, its really not environmentalism's only issue.

If I did have a problem with it, that's my prerogative.

Thats true but you did decide to post in this thread and completely derail it before anyone said anything about the article.

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

Thats true but you did decide to post in this thread and completely derail it before anyone said anything about the article.

An opposing or considered viewpoint is not derailing a thread.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

An opposing or considered viewpoint is not derailing a thread.

It totally is when you say "David Suzuki is a liar!!!!!" in a thread about finding a frog in a soda can. Its not even an opposing viewpoint, since you won't even say if you think soda is bad for you or even if the frog incident wasn't somehow gross.

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

It totally is when you say "David Suzuki is a liar!!!!!" in a thread about finding a frog in a soda can. Its not even an opposing viewpoint, since you won't even say if you think soda is bad for you or even if the frog incident wasn't somehow gross.

As stated further up, what David Suzuki passes for the truth is anyone's guess. Placing some odious category on my propositions and claiming my input to be derailing is not only odious in itself but a cheap rhetorical trick.

I should point out that you have now derailed your own thread.

Well done.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

As stated further up, what David Suzuki passes for the truth is anyone's guess. Placing some odious category on my propositions and claiming my input to be derailing is not only odious in itself but a cheap rhetorical trick.

It was derailing since you, without even knowing what book I'm reading just said David Suzuki is a liar. Really, do you think soda is the nectar of the gods and that by his correct statement believe that Suzuki lies about everything and can't be trusted, even about the widely known harms of soda? Thats the only conclusion I can come to if you do indeed claim that what you posted had everything to do with the issue of frog in a can.

And really just picking some random criticism off of wikipedia and saying it discredits his entire reputation as a scientist isn't the least bit a cheap trick?

I should point out that you have now derailed your own thread.

Well done.

How can I derail my own thread when I'm replying to a derailing post?

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

It was derailing since you, without even knowing what book I'm reading just said David Suzuki is a liar.

He is a liar, the proof of which can be found in this thread.

Really, do you think soda is the nectar of the gods and that by his correct statement believe that Suzuki lies about everything and can't be trusted, even about the widely known harms of soda?

I know these harms are widely known, which is why I don't give Suzuki credit for them.

Thats the only conclusion I can come to if you do indeed claim that what you posted had everything to do with the issue of frog in a can.

You shouldn't jump to conclusions unless you are armed with all the objective facts at your disposal.

And really just picking some random criticism off of wikipedia and saying it discredits his entire reputation as a scientist isn't the least bit a cheap trick?

Overruled.

How can I derail my own thread when I'm replying to a derailing post?

You spoke too soon...

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

He is a liar, the proof of which can be found in this thread.

Which I have debunked, it clearly states so in the report that you yourself claim to have read and posted.

I know these harms are widely known, which is why I don't give Suzuki credit for it.

So what the fuck is your problem? Suzuki wasn't lying about soda, right?

You shouldn't jump to conclusions unless you are armed with all the objective facts at your disposal.

Hello, pot?

Overruled.
You spoke too soon...

You shouldn't have spoken at all. Really, I just don't get people with conspiracy theories that everything is a lie and everyone with a cause is a liar and a fraud.

[Starke von Oben]

Originally Posted by Saya

Which I have debunked, it clearly states so in the report that you yourself claim to have read and posted.

No you didn't.

So what the fuck is your problem? Suzuki wasn't lying about soda, right?

He didn't tell us anything new either.

If Suzuki declared that the sky is blue and the grass is green tomorrow, are we to grovel in benevolence at this highly original revelation?

Hello, pot?

Yes?

You shouldn't have spoken at all. Really, I just don't get people with conspiracy theories that everything is a lie and everyone with a cause is a liar and a fraud.

Open forum, open content.

Don't like it?

Tough.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

No you didn't.

If you actually read the report, its not Microsoft that donates the money but the Microsoft Matching Gifts Program, like many of the corporations listed there the money comes from the employee's pocket, not the actual corporation. The vast majority of his organization's donations are less than 500 dollars a piece, and the Microsoft and Warner Bros donations are under the 500 dollar mark as well. So he was right that individuals donate far more than corporations do.

There you go, I guess your eyes must have glazed over when you read it the first time.

He didn't tell us anything new either.

If Suzuki declared that the sky is blue and the grass is green tomorrow, are we to grovel in benevolence at this highly original revelation?

Some of the things he said in the book I'm currently reading is new to me, which is why I mentioned it. Simply saying "the David Suzuki book" doesn't really imply I'm grovelling at his feet, does it?

God you must really hate someone if someone mentions his name you have to go on a huge rant with wikipedia as your sole source.

Yes?

Open forum, open content.

Don't like it?

Tough.

Which is why I'm totally comfortable calling you an idiot and criticizing your idiocy. Works both ways you know.

[Starke von Oben]

Some of the things he said in the book I'm currently reading is new to me, which is why I mentioned it.

You never knew Soda was bad for your health prior to reading this book?

Where do you live? Under a stone?

Simply saying "the David Suzuki book" doesn't really imply I'm grovelling at his feet, does it?

Nice try.

God you must really hate someone if someone mentions his name you have to go on a huge rant with wikipedia as your sole source.

God you must really love someone if someone offers criticism towards his name and you go on a huge rant with some single book as your sole source.

Which is why I'm totally comfortable calling you an idiot and criticizing your idiocy. Works both ways you know.

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Starke von Oben

You never knew Soda was bad for your health prior to reading this book?

Where do you live? Under a stone?

I didn't know that Americans drink more than 200 liters of soda annually and consume an average of 27 kilograms of high fructose corn syrup per person annually, and that a 591 millimetre bottle of Coke contains the equivalent of fifteen spoonfuls of sugar. I knew it was bad but put in perspective like that its disgusting.

Nice try.

At what, pray tell?

God you must really love someone if someone offers criticism towards his name and you go on a huge rant with some single book as your sole source.

This post is the first time I actually use the book as my source. Its kinda funny how I'm half asleep, barely functioning and this is pretty easy to point out your flawed arguments.

Is this the part where I now post Pol Pot, which is apparently humourous to you?

[msg_themoon]

Soda is bad...I can't seem to shake the stuff...i can go a week without it then I crave it....but i love going without it....but then i love going with it....
My biggest love is for Ice Cold Water. I love that water! I wish all of it was clean.

[The Count]

Well, this tread went nowhere fast.

On the topic of frog flavored soft drinks - I don't really know what to think, since I'm only reading one side of the story. The side where a couple is likely going to sue a company for allegedly putting a frog in their drinks.

My mother's friend once baked a cockroach into a cookie to get a fresh batch from the bakers(she claimed to have bought it from). It was a good deal, she get's cookies, they stay in business.

So who's to say this couple didn't stuff a dead frog into the can(the frog did lack internal organs), kept it in the freezer for a while, took it out again and called the FDA?
I mean, I doubt Pepsi would gut a frog just to play some prank that could leave them bankrupt.

[creature6]

this one dear shall suit you like a glove.

Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold
Peas porridge in the pot 9 days old
Some like it hot, some like it cold
Some like it in the pot 9 days old.

with love.

[Renatus]

Honestly I could care less about global warming, we shouldn't need an excuse like that in order to start recycling and going easier on the enviroment. The problem is people are too lazy to be enviromentally concious without some sort of obvious consequence in their own lives

Look at Fond du lac here in Wisconsin, we have a union that voted out a contract under threat of the company which is moving out of the state all together. If the company moves out of the state it will impact not just the hundreds of people it employs, but at least 11,000 other jobs and thats not counting the loss of job opportunities in the future. Do you know why they voted out the contract? Because alot of them are retiring soon and the new contract reduces their pension and they dont want to give it up so they would rather have everyone lose their job just so they can keep their pension. Also just for anyone wondering, Wisconsin is having enough job problems without another 11,000 people being added to the unemployed list, heck both of my parents are currently unemployed.