Satanist Teens *sigh* - Page 10

succubus,queenofvampires · 03-23-2006, 12:33 PM

Yeah, I agree with both, Onix and Xng. Nobody should ever diss another religion especially if they don't know anything about it.
I hate it that people who are craving for attention most of the time start claiming that they are Satanists and " really dark".

psychopenguin · 03-25-2006, 07:34 PM

To Xnguela I don't discredit all parochial schools. Just the one I attended. Personally, though, I'd rather send my future children to a public school until they of an age to choose as well as understand that it doesn't matter what others say. Granted the same thing that happened to me in my private school has a possibility of happeneing to them in a public school but I'll hop that fence when I get there.
To Psi I was a Satanist for a number of years. What you said is absolutely correct. Satanism is about self-worship per se. There is no deity except yourself. However, you can call apon "demons" -which are similar to the saints of Christianity though they stand for other things- to aid you in magickal workings or every day life (the Catholics do the same in prayers and the like). It's a very insightful, independant, and self empowering religion. People who disrespect any form of belief, even atheism(sp?), are very ignorant in my view.

4mytribe · 03-26-2006, 10:15 PM

I grew up in a Mexican hard core christian cult church. Our motto was "Beans and rice and Jesus Christ". It was difficult and alot of teens ran away from it including me. There are many ideas out there that make people put themselves in boxes and then they isolate from friends, family, truth and on and on. Satanism is one like many other extremes like the cult that my family was riped apart from. It is sad but thats what ideas do when you dont question them and everyone will preasure you if you question. My Mom paid the biggest price. She lost both her children and her youth and chance at a mate at a decent age. She is not happy about alot of that but as for me I wish that it didnt happen but wonder if I would be better or worse for it. I know this that cults like the one my family was in is a negative.

I still have conflicts about so much regarding that part of my life but in the end we have to go on.

Mood · 03-27-2006, 02:23 AM

Satanism...a pathetic justification for people who claim to not need one.

And Catholicism may not be so liberal, but that's what makes the sex so kinky. Opression plays a very sadomasochistic role in a lot of people's lives, and haters just don't understand that.

4mytribe · 03-27-2006, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mood

Satanism...a pathetic justification for people who claim to not need one.

And Catholicism may not be so liberal, but that's what makes the sex so kinky. Opression plays a very sadomasochistic role in a lot of people's lives, and haters just don't understand that.

And We'll all get that after we wake up tomorrow - or maybe thats just me - Im toast - this is really it man Im done

but still I have to say in my toasted state that what she said doesnt make sense right now

toasted

Marcus danis

WolfMoon · 03-27-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mood

Satanism...a pathetic justification for people who claim to not need one.

And Catholicism may not be so liberal, but that's what makes the sex so kinky. Opression plays a very sadomasochistic role in a lot of people's lives, and haters just don't understand that.

Guess it doesn't really matter how much you sin, if you're catholic. You can just say some hail mary's and all's well.

Hypocrite.

end.of.eternity · 03-27-2006, 09:10 AM

Muslims just simply don't know a word "humour" ...oh well. I guess it was so EEeevil and cruel and rude of people joking of their precious Mohammed like THAT badly (hey, come on, those Danes really didn't make it that big) and they have their real right to get pissed of.
...Please.

I mean. People joke about Christianity everyday, but do Christians burn and blow up places? No. If muslims got to know of a band which blasphemed their religion even a little, they'd make sure of that band being done dead immediately. But christians never did anything to black metal.

So. My point is, they were a little overacting.

end.of.eternity · 03-27-2006, 09:12 AM

...and the post was meant for the previous chat about Mohammed.

OnixxFilth · 03-27-2006, 09:28 AM

Yeah, that's one thing I always found weird about Catholicism (I'm a former Catholic)- that you call upon these people who supposedly "lived perfect lives"-but are still just people, not gods- to help you in your daily life.

WolfMoon · 03-27-2006, 10:46 AM

I always thought it was weird that the bible says to have no idols, but catholics always have little figurines every where.

WTF?

*Not raggin' on catholics, just find it weird.

OnixxFilth · 03-27-2006, 10:53 AM

Hmm, I think that statues of saints aren't meant to be worshipped, just a visual reminder of "those people who are watching over us." For some reason, I'm fond of statues of the Virgin Mary, perhaps because Catholicism reminds me of my childhood, a time when things were a lot simpler.

bunnicula · 03-27-2006, 11:40 AM

Speaking of saints....I had one of those weird synchronicity moments the other day that included a reference to saints. Here goes:

(to my classmate at grad school during coffee break)
Me: I'm doing some reading about Celtic mythological figures and how the Irish Catholic Church incorporated the gods and goddesses into the religion, renaming them as "saints."

Classmate: Oh, interesting. I went to Ireland recently and felt a strong spiritual connection. I later found out that I am actually Irish. I always thought I was German.

Me: I have heard about other indiginous religions that get incorporated into Christianity or Catholicism and their gods and goddesses become "saints."

(I went to the coffee stand, and decided to get tea instead. It was one of those 'yogi tea' brand tea bags that have the little sayings on the paper tag that hangs over your teacup. I opened the bag and the saying written on the paper was "God lives in the gathering of saints.")

That sent chills down my spine.

Queenofdarkness57 · 03-27-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by end.of.eternity

Muslims just simply don't know a word "humour" ...oh well. I guess it was so EEeevil and cruel and rude of people joking of their precious Mohammed like THAT badly (hey, come on, those Danes really didn't make it that big) and they have their real right to get pissed of.
...Please.

I mean. People joke about Christianity everyday, but do Christians burn and blow up places? No. If muslims got to know of a band which blasphemed their religion even a little, they'd make sure of that band being done dead immediately. But christians never did anything to black metal.

So. My point is, they were a little overacting.

No, that wasn't funny at all, but they did overreact. I mean it's enough that they're excessively conservative, what did you expect? Oh btw, In Lebanon, they met in downtown Beirut where they started destroying cars( yes, of Lebanese citizens) and breaking the glasses of stores, hence destructing their own country( whic is facing enough economical problems). In addition to that, they were hitting Christian females and breaking statues Saints. All of that for the sake of some cartoon in Europe. Dumbfucks!

Mood · 03-27-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfMoon

Guess it doesn't really matter how much you sin, if you're catholic. You can just say some hail mary's and all's well.

Hypocrite.

How presumptious.

psychopenguin · 03-27-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mood

Satanism...a pathetic justification for people who claim to not need one.

How is Satanism a justification?

Godslayer Jillian · 03-27-2006, 09:15 PM

And a justification of what?

tenet_2012 · 03-27-2006, 09:24 PM

Eh, to each his/her own.

If someone wants to think of themselves as their own god... let them.

I personaly don't need to believe in anything to justify my existence.

Sobeh · 03-27-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Xnguela

Ok, but by praying to saints (yes, catholics do that) and holding their statues and rotting body parts in such high regard, aren't you worshipping them?

Holding something in high esteem or reverence isn't worshipping, since worship generally has thankfulness as a component, while saints and their relics are held up as symbols not only of virtue and proper livelihood, but also as examples of what kind of power is rendered when one leads that kind of life, and the good that can be done therefrom. Without recourse to Webster, I think that's the difference in a practical nutshell.

Mood · 03-27-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by psychopenguin

How is Satanism a justification?

It's a religion for people who don't want to follow rules. How isn't that an attempt at justification?

Cruel Intentions · 03-28-2006, 06:24 AM

I missed the muslim argument so here's my two cents:

Like all 'fanatical' (I use the word very loosely here) groups like religions, football fans, etc there will always be that 10% that are extremists and will cause trouble and give the rest of them a bad name. However, Islam is one of the largest religions in the world so that same 10% is going to be a hell of a lot larger as well.

And as for satanism...
The backwards thing is that everyone is supposed to respect and appreciate everyone else's belief and culture. What if you're religion is to hate everyone and everything and their culture/beliefs?

As Mood said, its an excuse for people who don't like rules.

OnixxFilth · 03-28-2006, 08:45 AM

I agree with Mood.

Saya · 03-28-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cruel Intentions

And as for satanism...
The backwards thing is that everyone is supposed to respect and appreciate everyone else's belief and culture. What if you're religion is to hate everyone and everything and their culture/beliefs?

As Mood said, its an excuse for people who don't like rules.

Satanism doesn't say hate everyone. Look at Godslayer Jillian. Could you ask for a sweeter person?

Satanism has rules, so you can't say its an excuse for that.

end.of.eternity · 03-28-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Queenofdarkness57

Oh btw, In Lebanon, they met in downtown Beirut where they started destroying cars( yes, of Lebanese citizens) and breaking the glasses of stores, hence destructing their own country( whic is facing enough economical problems). In addition to that, they were hitting Christian females and breaking statues Saints. All of that for the sake of some cartoon in Europe. Dumbfucks!

This is just what I meant.

And to say, I never meant I thought that danes' joking being funny. Dramatical reacting just sucks.

Mood · 03-28-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Saya

Satanism has rules, so you can't say its an excuse for that.

It is a generalisation because I'm sure there are many Satanists that are really great people and have their reasons.

However the "religion" itself is a joke. Sure it has rules. One of the biggest is that it is a Satanist "sin" to be ignorant...but if the religion also emphasises that you are your own god and you dictate how you live your life, then how the hell are you supposed to know if you're ignorant or not. Everyone is to assume that their ignorant and look up to their superiors for help (God for example, who Christians believe is perfect), yet if you are you're own God that automatically makes you ignorant...it's ridiculous. The whole thing is one big contradiction of itself.

If these people want to run their lives like they want to, why do they need a religion to do this? They shouldn't, but that's where the justification comes in.

The only good thing about this religion in my eyes is that the main church of Satan will only accept you as a member if you're of legal age or have parental consent.

Saya · 03-28-2006, 01:26 PM

From The Church of Satan website(http://www.churchofsatan.com), technically its stupidity, and not ignorance thats a sin:

"1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid."

And we really can't trust other people not to be ignorant, not our elders, not the church. And if the church is ignorant, how can we trust them about what they say about God? There is no one to trust, in that case, so the only person you can trust is yourself.

And of course, they don't literally mean "you're your own God", its just have confidence to seize control of your life, and not rely on outside forces. It kinda reminds me of the story when Buddha was on his deathbed and his monks were crying, and he said "Be a lamp unto yourself."