Gothic Discrimination in School

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Cyntrox

My teachers keep lowering my grades because they say I write too "dark..."

Now THAT is some bonafied bullshit. I would highly suggest you bring this up to you principal. Dark art is just as much art as any other. This IS discrimination. How dare they give you are hard time because of who you are.

[maggot]

Actually, Kontan, this is where you and me disagree.

People will always have prejudices, and if people are going to aggregate those prejudices, they can't whine about it.


It's like someone cutting themselves, and then complaining when they almost die.
"Yeah, no shit, asshole." would probably be your first response, not "Awwww! Poor baaaby!!! "

See what I'm saying?








That came off far more hostile than I meant it to. I don't care, though.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by maggot

Actually, Kontan, this is where you and me disagree.

People will always have prejudices, and if people are going to aggregate those prejudices, they can't whine about it.


It's like someone cutting themselves, and then complaining when they almost die.
"Yeah, no shit, asshole." would probably be your first response, not "Awwww! Poor baaaby!!! "

See what I'm saying?


That came off far more hostile than I meant it to. I don't care, though.

Well, I know what you're saying. I'm more miffed about people making a bigger deal about it than the ones that actually do it. All I'm saying is that people let the goth look bother them and then it's okay to be hostile about it. They CHOOSE to hate it and make a big deal about it. I just wonder why it's always got to be the goth that changes themselves instead of the ones that would be better off changing their minds.

Maggot, I don't like your blue hair. Change it, it bothers me.

[maggot]

Actually, I get the hair thing a lot. It amuses me more than offends me. :P

And people don't choose to hate things that are different, they just grow up that way.
I mean, SOME choose, but others have no choice, really.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by maggot

Actually, I get the hair thing a lot. It amuses me more than offends me. :P

And people don't choose to hate things that are different, they just grow up that way.
I mean, SOME choose, but others have no choice, really.

Magg, I love your blue hair. I was just trying to make a point.

It's an issue of respect for me. I'm seeing it come from one side, but not the other. That's not cool in my book.

[maggot]

I knew you were trying to make a point, I was just showing the rational conclusion that I hold.

I choose to have something that tends to offend, so I don't bitch when I get complaints.




So, uh, Kontan... Are you gonna pay for everyone to get hypnotherapy?

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by maggot

I knew you were trying to make a point, I was just showing the rational conclusion that I hold.

I choose to have something that tends to offend, so I don't bitch when I get complaints.




So, uh, Kontan... Are you gonna pay for everyone to get hypnotherapy?

Nope. Social change should never be forced. I may have something against one sided respect issues, but I'd hate to see people forced to accept something they don't want to. Peoples' ability to choose comes before my own comfort.

My views are my own and not for anyone else unless they feel the same.

[maggot]

Good boy.


This means you're not allowed to complain, either, though. :P

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by maggot

Good boy.


This means you're not allowed to complain, either, though. :P

Nah, you can't stop me from speaking my mind. Then again, I kinda like the idea that goth is a threatening look. Though I'm not violent, it for some reason, keeps the would be criminals and violent ones at bay. I don't know why, but I just don't care.

[maggot]

It's threatening because people are scared of what they don't know.
Now you know, and still don't care.


It's good to learn how to do some death glance.
People don't mess with me because I have one.

[KontanKarite]

Yeah. The gang activity in my town seems to be on the uprise. Looking down right scary seems to keep strangers from talking to me when I'm walking out at night.

[Tismine]

My school has never given me much of a problem. My public school (up to mid 8th grade) used to be fairly..unhappy about it. Now, thankfully, I attend a private school. While the dress code may be much more strict (uniforms), I managed to convince them to leave me alone. How? By volunteering in the library, baking and cooking for them, and being polite to the point of Victorian.
I'm basically regarded as a slightly insane kitten, and no one blinks an eye at 7-inch patent vinyl boots anymore. It's fairly exclusive, though, as I'm the only one able to get away with it. I just smile at them if they say anything vulgar.
I'm fairly lucky, I suppose. In my previous school, my father and I had to manipulate like crazy for them to leave me alone.

[Lapin]

(laughs hysterically) My school would kill for your problems. They're happy if we show up. Dress code violations? Priority #352

Hey, Tismine, where'd you get those 7-inchers? I want a pair.

[Tismine]

At a small clothing store down the street. It primarily sells used christian clothing, but I found them there in all their shining glory.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Yeah. The gang activity in my town seems to be on the uprise. Looking down right scary seems to keep strangers from talking to me when I'm walking out at night.

From the way you said that I thought there were random, roving gangs of goths on the uprise.

I'm wondering when we will see our first goth gangs. Hey, if GASH found a way into existence, then a goth gang isn't too much of a stretch.

(GASH = Gay Aryan Skin-Heads - large gay skinheads who go around beating the crap out of rednecks and the like who mess with gay men)

* East Coast Gawthz in the hizzle! Word bio-tch!

Gives a whole new meaning to original G...

[Vyvian Blackthorne]

Goth gangs! Our subculture has a goth gang already. Sex Gang Children

Goth Forever

[CptSternn]

This is sort of OT, but thought it was kinda funny and did go with the theme of the thread...

Christian fraternity sues University of Florida

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/lo...d94e13&rss=794

A Christian fraternity alleging discrimination is taking the University of Florida to court.

Beta Upsilon Chi's lawsuit says the university refuses to recognize it as a registered student group.

According to the lawsuit filed in federal court in Gainesville, school officials told the group it can't be registered because only Christian men are eligible for membership.

The organization that governs the university's Greek system prohibits religious discrimination.


So it's not really a gothic group being discriminated against, its a Christian group. Funny thing is though, they are suing the school for discrimination. So the bottom line is they are a group that discriminates, and because they do, they are not allow to function on campus, so they are suing for discrimination.

Thats right, a group that wants the right to discriminate is suing the school for discriminating against them for not allowing them to discriminate.

Only in America.

[raggedyanne]

Only in america. Where you can go over to the local church and get free pizza during school hours but can't wear fishnets to a rally.

[KontanKarite]

I actually like Humane's way of doing things. He'll play goth rock while people are around without saying it's goth and they never bat an eye. It's hillarious, really.

[raggedyanne]

That is funny. I was listening to some of the old stuff during detention and the teacher told me to turn down the techno. Crazy old bat. It's a wonder she hasn't turn to dust yet.

[Tismine]

I AM SO PISSED OFF!

I got the student handbook today, and they apparently decided to change the rules.
Now:
No makeup on boys. Ever.
Shoes must have less then two inch heel.
Shoes may not come up past ankle. NO BOOTS.
Makeup must be conservative.
Males may not have piercings.

What. The. Fuck.
Screw this, I'm showing up in my patent leather platform boots!

[LiUsAiDh]

My school has uniform .

On casuals day they have a load or rules though, which means it isnt really casuals day *_*, no ripped jeans (Eh), no midriff showing (understandably if its like a foot showing but 1cm - no, so I have to wear my baggy t-shirts ), no heels above 2inches (I tend to ignore this), no makeup, no dangly earings, no transparent tights (wth), and reasonable non-suggestive clothing with no low necklines.

The rules were stricter but basically everyone protested 'cause pretty much all we could wear were jeans and a baggy t-shirt.

[Underwater Ophelia]

I think most of you are bitching about nothing. I mean, my school never really had too strict of a dress code, so I was lucky, but there is no reason for most of you to bitch.

So they don't want you wearing shoes with heels over two inches, it's not a big deal. It has nothing to do with gothic discrimination, that's a safety issue. Even the piercings and makeup thing, so what? It's still not really discriminating against goths, they just know that people get carried away with both of those things, so they want to avoid that altogether.

Anyway, my point is, if you find you can't dress goth in a reasonable school dress code (which you all have, believe it or not) the problem isn't the school, it's you. You can easily dress goth in any environment. The trick is to dress with taste.

How about a pretty lace skirt, dark stockings, cute gothy shoes (Oh, I don't know, velvet china flats.), and a form fitting, but tasteful black top? None of these things are hard to find, and that outfit would be plenty goth for school.

It's not a fashion show, it's a place to learn.

[goth18]

this is total busllshit!!!!!! i'm still trying to deal with the beastards at my school to allow this sort of stuff, i'm only half way though. if i can do anything, let me know, and i'll do it.

[goth18]

bastards.*