God save us from ourselves.. The world today.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Toy Killer

Ask any Hospital Corpsman in the Navy that has done IA duty, and they will most likely agree that an explosion does not kill quickly. only a few if any will die on impact, the rest will suffer through blood loss before finally dieing, if they are lucky, many die of disentary... not fun...

war is just ugly. period.

Agreed....

[MollyMac]

War is war, regardless of what we call it or what we (mis)use to justify it. Next time, show the video of our soldiers who are over there, their families, their deaths and injuries and maltreatment when they get home from serving when you choose not to.

You tend to only get video of Iraqis and Saudis and Afganis because most people in the Western world view them as less than human- why else have the bodies paraded on video like a 13 point buck in season? Thank you for spreading the dehumanizing of these people and their pain needlessly, replaying the deaths of their babies, civilians and their military over and over again.

Thanks, we needed the gore fix to drive the point home.

[bleedingheart344]

Originally Posted by BLEED REBELION!!!

Bleedingheart: No it's not in our nature. Or maybe its just in your nature. It seems that most of the ppl I know who say that violence or hate or other shit like that is in our nature seem to be the ones with it in them. So maybe you're like that but every one else is not.
But I dont really want to turn this threa into a debate about human nature. That debate is just way to exhausted and exhausting..

M'lady, you are stupid. Look at the evidence we have in history. Why exactly do you think we have laws, sweetie? We wouldn't need laws against murder if people weren't driven to do it. Why is it that people are so entertained by violent movies? These may be small things, but it's all to satisfy the natural bloodlust of humans. Bear in mind that wars are created due to our territorial instincts. There's a reason behind everything. And if you're accusing me of being one for violence, bitch, I'm a pacifist. So, you need to chill.

[Solumina]

We are still predators after all, even if we are a good bit removed from tat part of our nature, I do, however, like to think that it is something that most people are able to not let that fact have any real power over us...then again history does teach a slightly different story

[JCC]

People who say it's in our nature to do bad things are lazy fuckheads who can't be bothered to get off their ass and try to make a change to the things around them. A lot of things could be said to be in our nature and we've curbed them. You think we were born vegan? It's in our nature to adapt, and anyone who claims otherwise merely doesn't want to put in the effort.

[bleedingheart344]

So, you're insinuating that one person putting in effort is going to change everyone around them? I never said that I didn't make any effort to change things for MYSELF. I'm commenting on the condition of others.

[JCC]

Things have often been changed by the actions of one man leading many. You're basically ignoring most of the major events of history and claiming some biological tendency toward negative behaviour. Things change, if people will just admit that they can.

[Metabolik]

It usually takes quite alot to make me cry and I almost did when I watched this, war changes people. I can remember one of my friend's friends was in the army and he came back and he had completely changed. He always used to talk and never shu up lol. Now he hardly says anything...

[MollyMac]

One person may not change everything, but one person with the balls to get off their ass and actually do something, and then actually does something can change SOMETHING. It's never about changing the world- that is nigh impossible, but it is about changing what you can

[bleedingheart344]

Originally Posted by JCC

Things have often been changed by the actions of one man leading many. You're basically ignoring most of the major events of history and claiming some biological tendency toward negative behaviour. Things change, if people will just admit that they can.

Ever notice how little things like that happen anymore?

[MollyMac]

The little things and little people happen all of the time, actually. Jane Goodall, Julia Hill, Cindy Sheehan, the Sisters of Loretta Nerinx, a million and one unnamed conscientious objectors, moral purchasers, draft dodgers, boycotters, volunteers in the VA and USO, RAWA and tree-huggers--- they are all one person, began as one person and one person may not make the news, but their actions are felt and trends towwards peace and sustainability are formed.

Saying that it doesn't happen any more speaks to willful blindless and learned helplessness.

[Shub-Yoggoth]

Originally Posted by I Am Great.

God you're so emo...............

Your an idiot.

[Shub-Yoggoth]

Even though I wasn't disgusted with the face of war, it is a sad reality that I've know since this entire fiasco started. After reading about the true reason why the American's are over there, it makes me sick to know that the 'best country in the world' is still the focal point of all things inhumane, sick and disgusting.
The more I see these things, the more I side with the so called 'terrorists'.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Shub-Yoggoth

Your an idiot.

Duck is rubber, you're glue, it bounces off him, and cements your status as a moron.

[Shub-Yoggoth]

Originally Posted by JCC

Duck is rubber, you're glue, it bounces off him, and cements your status as a moron.

Am I now?
Your reply is clearly written for someone who is an attention whore.

[Asti]

Well, maybe I should just sit here and keep my mouth shut, seeing as I'm not American. However, I did live in America for a while and it really struck me when my American Government teacher asked my why Germany wasn't helping the US with that war.
I couldn't believe he was serious about that question.

We already had our share of psychopathic war mongers. Twice!
It is really bad what happened here and I guess you couldn't understand that if you have never stood in a Concentration Camp and seen the pictures of mounts of bodies in just the spot you are standing on right now.
But as much as everybody hates Germany for it and has every right to do so, people tend to forget that Germany was almost completely destroyed in both World Wars. Now I am too young to have seen the consequences but my Grandparents lived through it and when they tell you about how a girl moved out here in the country in order to escape the bombings and died here because the French bomed down half of our town, it kinda makes you sick. My Grandpa told me that he was hiding in the shrubs while the French attacked and they flew so low, he could see the pilots' faces.
Berlin, Cologne, Dresden, Stuttgart, Würzburg... all of Germany's big cities were completely destroyed, our country was invaded and occupied, people starved in the ruins of what used to be their home. And that still lingers in our minds. Europe has seen more than enough of war on their own grounds. They have suffered the consequences.
The point I'm trying to make is that people can learn from their past. We did, anyway.

You know why Switzerland stays out of any kind of international conflict? The Swiss used to be big military agressors. In one of their wars, they lost about 95 % of their male population, that's when they decided never to wage war again.

Those are the tragedies that will make people understand. War is nothing like 9-11. It's more like Katrina. In every city of the nation. Just that it is avoidable.

A German Comedian once said something like "Thank you, America, for removing us from the first place of the world's most hated nations".
What's that saying? History repeats itself.
Maybe it's just that.

Ah, yeah, and I think it's a little far-fetched to make war due to "territorial instincts", seeing as the Iraq isn't even on the same continent. It's greed.