Satanist: Anton Szandor LaVey - Page 2

Anousenka · 11-10-2005, 08:24 PM

Well, I consider myself to be a satanist of sorts. I don't "worship" anyone...well except for my boyfriend heehee

I do, however, follow several satanic beliefs such as: Self-worship, and not in an arrogant way, self indulgence, not agreeing with most mainstream religion, in fact I think most of it is extremely harmful, wanting to develop my magical abilities and my spiritual self and, of course, embracing darkness

I have respect and compassion for all beings, especially my loved ones, animals, plants, buggies and those in need. I do, however, disagree highly with closed minded individuals and will stand my ground if threatened. I don't believe that violence is good, in most cases, anyway. I just believe that I am the master of my own existence.

rockandrose · 11-10-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Anousenka

I just believe that I am the master of my own existence.

You can't exactly be the 'master of your own existence'.

Whoops...someone might decide to murder you beyond your control and beyond your 'mastery powers'....

BEWARE - I KILL HUMANS FOR FUN!

Scythan · 11-10-2005, 09:22 PM

Respect for buggies is good. I like it.

11-11-2005, 02:16 AM

No I'm into the real dangerous, hidden, satanic stuff. Closed up Satanic covens that knowone knows about. Satanic Cults that are aggresive and don't want to be bothered. Not that Anton Lavey guy.

Disfunction · 11-11-2005, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rockandrose

You can't exactly be the 'master of your own existence'.

Whoops...someone might decide to murder you beyond your control and beyond your 'mastery powers'....

BEWARE - I KILL HUMANS FOR FUN!

That supposes that existence is entirely defined by our physical realities. If one can successfully transcend pain and pleasure, sensations of that sort, then the physical reality surrounding them has little or no impact.

Scythan · 11-11-2005, 05:53 PM

Sensations don't make the reality. Even if you don't feel something, that doesn't mean it has no impact on you. People without nerves still die.

ThwanCondu · 11-11-2005, 06:48 PM

I've read a few essays by LaVey. In one he pretty much said, 'We're called satanists cause the name freaks people out'. I find him immature.

flawed-mentality · 11-11-2005, 08:57 PM

I have satanic rituals his companion to the satanic bible .I can't comment to much because I haven't finished it.

Moira · 11-12-2005, 08:09 AM

I agree with the fact that Cristianity made up the story about heaven and hell, just to keep us humans scared and good. But if all of the things we have learned are lies, then what is the truth? Well, I think the catholic church wanted to have a scapegoat for all of god's mistakes (he isn't so perfect as they want us to believe), and so he used Lucifer as the "evil" one. What the priests don't tell us is that Lucifer is the first and most beautiful angel created by god, the morningstar, who got the task to protect human beings. Only when Lucifer saw that god was turning against the people cause he was disappointed in his creation, He took this task seriously and therefore protected humans against god. That's what god didn't like and so he needed to come up with a story so nobody would believe that what Lucifer was doing was right. The beginning of evil and devils and so on.

So now everybody who worships satan (its a slang word meaning lier what god wanted us to believe what Lucifer was) in fact is helping god maintaining this lie by doing evil in his name. As long as the whole society keeps on seeing all the terrible things done by satanist, His name will never be cleared.

What Lucifer wants is freedom for mankind, but also respect for your neighbour and the angels. Although we don't turn our cheeck to the other side to get slapped again, it is importent to feel for your neighbour and have empathy. Your demons are nothing more than oppresseded feelings and you need to work with them to find balance in stead of hiding them away.

For me, this means there is no difference between Satanism and Christianity, cause they are all sheep worshipping a god in stead of thinking for themselves. I want to reveal the truth in stead of living a lie. Thats why i try to meditate and find a way to contact the angels so I get knowledge of the truth, something that god forbids us to do. Also this information i found by reading between the lines in books and by conversating with other people.

If you want to make a choice in religion, its important that you don't just follow a god blindly but that you do research for yourself before making this decission.

Gedio · 11-14-2005, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nonfatsuperjesus

LaVey believes in only one thing: MONEY! And threads like this are just what he wants, to get his name out there more. Stantists are morons. What kind of self-inflated ego does it take to believe that you are your own God. God is real and none of us are it. LaVey writes books, makes Marylin Manson a priest (or whatever) and lives in Crowley's castle. All these things are, are publicity stunts. Money=LaVey. He believes in only that. Fuck him!

I doubt it considering he's dead...

"Satanists are morons", I find the Satanists to be highly intelligent (the real ones not bloody posers), it's Luciferians who are morons, and extremely few in number.

"You are your own god" was a simple way of portraying the occult theories that things which were considering to be external proccess for thousands of years are atcualy very internal proccesses, and thereby you control them, not some far off deities from a forgotten time. therefore you are your own God (slightly resounding Chaos theory).

If you beleive that your God is real then why do you not accept that others do not? Such as LeVay?

Gedio · 11-14-2005, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by polished_wolf_claws

And Don't anyone think I'm jsut hating on the church of satan. I have no problem with them, their church, their practices, their Real founder (Crowley) or their figure head (Satan, Duh)

At this point I'd like to point out that Crowley wasn't a Satanist and the church of satan (Not Luciferian, who are mostly hidden) has nothing to do with the devil.

talon · 11-17-2005, 04:27 AM

Most Religions believe in God and Satan(good and evil). So they believe in the same thing. Christians, Catholics, Jews, Mormans etc. They all believe in the same god and at the same time shun satan for he is evil. But is there more than one type of satanist. Different views of how everything happened is the only way I can think of a satanist being different than another.

Don't like to repeat myself but most religions are a battle of good and evil. And if a satanist says there is no God, he/she must have nothing to believe in at all.

Miriel · 11-17-2005, 07:14 AM

The original thread was about LaVey and to be honest I think that he was a really interesting people. His essays are interesting (well not all) and the Bible itself has become one of the most important books in my life.

Dr. Faust · 12-01-2005, 08:08 PM

Ive read all his books (Anton LaVey.) First of all he does not believe in the physical reality of the devil. None of what he wrote is originial. Ge Enochian Keys came from English Alchemist John Dees and his :Satanic philosophy" from Ragnar Redbeard (A viking pagan chiefton who wrote a book called Might Is Right) and Neitchze.
Now the Temple Of Set, which broke off from the Church of Satan does believe in an actual dak god. Anton LaVey is not even his real name. He was born one Howard Levy.

Metatron · 12-02-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rockandrose

In terms of Christianity, I have respect for Christians and their beliefs. I have friends who are Christians. However, on a general note, I don't agree with Christianity. For instance, The Old Testament and the New Testament contradicts itself not once but many times.

See the funny thing is, The Old Testament was written by the Jews who believe and support mysticism (Kabbalah) and not by the Neojews around the time Jesus was, so you can see where it supports homosexuality, the occult, and the paranormal.

Blushing Heliophobe · 12-05-2005, 02:16 AM

When I first met my husband and began dating him, he was a Satanist.

He was and still is, a very rational, open-minded, and intellectual individual.

He looks 'normal' and functions well in society.

To say that all Satanists are a certain way is a very closeminded blanket statement.

We had awesome conversations about our very different views and that's how we fell in love.

He's no longer a Satanist, but here's why.

Satanism, as I came to understand it, is basicly a religion of Self. Every impulse should be gratified and sacrifice is mocked.

As we fell in love, he realized that he didn't believe any more that every impulse should be gratified (he certainly didn't want me acting out every sexual impulse directed at another) and both of us gave up certain things in order to be together and happy.

Those are the reasons he gave me for no longer being a Satanist.

I think that it may have 'shock value' but it's really how a lot of people live their lives, whether or not they know/admit it.

rockandrose · 12-05-2005, 05:54 AM

Keep in mind my opinions is only solely about the man himself and not his followers (Satanists).

In regards to the sources that I've read about Anton Szandor LaVey. I think he resembles a fictional self-absorbed character, who preaches through the voice of a narrater in an infamous horror book. At this point in time, I have come to view his beliefs to be beyond laughable means. He is indeed very self-absorbed and it shows in his bible, in which I think he blatantly teaches his followers to be more selfish and that self-indulgenced.

An excerpt taken from his bible:
In keeping with the Satanic views on sacrifice, the parchment used would be made from the skin of a sheep which was, by necessity, killed for food. An animal is never slaughtered for the purpose of using all or part of that animal in a Satanic ritual. If commercial parchment which has been made from already slaughtered sheep cannot be obtained, plain paper may be substituted.

It is not a "necessity" to kill any animal (including a human) in order to survive. Yet the bible contradicts itself stating that "ritual killing (of humans or animals) violates Satanic principles ("rules of behaviour" section of the bible).

Here is the nine "laughable" Satanic sins that the man had created:
*Stupidity
*pretentiousness
*solipsism
*self-deceit
*herd conformity
*lack of perspective
*forgetfulness of past orthodoxies
*counterproductive pride
*lack of aesthetics

I think that everyone has had at least one of these attributes stripped from their character, at some point in time. If we were to take these sins literally, I would think that we're all "sinners".

One of his core "satanic statements" of the Church of Satan is "Indulgence, not abstinence". Again, it shows how self-absorbed he is and I think the statement is meaningless and laughable.

LightPollution07 · 12-05-2005, 06:17 AM

I think its wrong to say a certain religion is wrong. I mean, we're all just looking for ourselves. We're flawed humans, and saying someones beliefs are wrong is really foolish of us. They could be right for all we know. Satanic philosophy makes quite a bit of sense if you really look into it. You cant just assume its wrong

rockandrose · 12-05-2005, 06:31 AM

Did I say that this religion (if you can even call it that) is "wrong". I was simply stating my "opinion".

I didn't dismiss anyone's belief in here, if anything, I was criticising certain beliefs held by Anton.

You are the one to "assume" things about me being "judgemental".

LightPollution07 · 12-05-2005, 06:53 AM

I wasnt really talking to you. Sorry. Just in general some of the things I've been reading

rockandrose · 12-05-2005, 06:59 AM

Ok then.

Since you did say that "Satanic philosophy makes quite a bit of sense", what are your views?

LightPollution07 · 12-05-2005, 07:15 AM

I believe that we are equal to or less than animals, and we are vicous. I think lying to yourself is one of the worse things you can do, because you are only hurting yourself. I dont think you should satisfy any desire that you have, but that you should enjoy life, and not have to worry if everything is right or wrong all the time. I agree with most things, except I'm not entirely self-absorbed, and I care about other people too

LightPollution07 · 12-05-2005, 07:16 AM

oh, and some of the sacrifices are just creepy

rockandrose · 12-05-2005, 07:21 AM

According to the bible of Satan, you should only care about those who are worthy of your care.

Well, what did you think of the man, Anton?

LightPollution07 · 12-05-2005, 07:23 AM

I think he's very very smart and he should be acknowledged for that. I dont like to judge people, but he seems inconsistant to me