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Old 03-31-2007, 05:46 AM   #51
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Drake Dun: Me saying I'm God doesn't make me God. Sure, you may say that it's something new and all, but what's the point?
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Old 03-31-2007, 05:48 AM   #52
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Rather, the use of religion creates someone to gain spirituality. Not forcing two into one. LIke the grass needs the sun.
That first sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:00 AM   #53
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That first sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
religion helps people focus, to gain a higher enlightenment. enlightenment being spirituality. or how about this.


religion>spirituality
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:10 AM   #54
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No no no. Quite the opposite. One needs spirituality in order to be able to accept any religion. The first step to religion is spirituality.

That's what I think, in any case.
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:16 AM   #55
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No no no. Quite the opposite. One needs spirituality in order to be able to accept any religion. The first step to religion is spirituality.

That's what I think, in any case.
Interesting point of view.

But i feel that is under debate, and something i am willingly blind for.

Ill have to develop some, crud i forgot the word. but it has to do with statements to lead into a conclusion. aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!! ill get back to it regardless.
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Old 03-31-2007, 08:39 AM   #56
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Drake Dun: Me saying I'm God doesn't make me God. Sure, you may say that it's something new and all, but what's the point?
The analogy is totally inapposite. I am talking about whetheror not a particular term can be meaningfully applied to a particular referent. You are talking about whether or not a particular factual situation is the case.

Put it this way. Say you stay up all night reading Nietzche and get all pumped up on your will to power. Then you say something like "I need no God. I am God." I could respond with some dictionary definition, but I would just be quibbling about terminology. It would be clear enough what you meant. And if enough people used the word that way for long enough, it would be absurd for me to continue loyally defending its now outdated definition.

Actually, I can't quite tell whether your beef with new age people is about terminology or about spirituality. I originally assumed the latter, which was why alarm bells sounded in my head and I posted to this thread. Which of these are you saying?:

1) To call a personal spirit guide a "totem" is a misuse of the word, given its commonly agreed upon definition.
2) To call a personal spirit guide a "totem" is incorrect, because spirit guides and totems both exist but are two different things.

(or perhaps some third option I am overlooking...)

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Old 03-31-2007, 08:41 AM   #57
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No no no. Quite the opposite. One needs spirituality in order to be able to accept any religion. The first step to religion is spirituality.
Yeah, spirituality alone is a good start toward religion, but it won't get you there by itself. You also need a deeply disingenuous nature and a desire to dominate and abuse other people.

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Old 03-31-2007, 07:06 PM   #58
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Yeah, spirituality alone is a good start toward religion, but it won't get you there by itself. You also need a deeply disingenuous nature and a desire to dominate and abuse other people.

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No, that's not for people who want to be religious... that's for people who want to be religious leaders.

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