Dirty Secret: Green Cars Automakers Won't Sell You

[Rizash]

Meh, do the research.... the glaciers at the poles are from thousands of years of SNOWFALL.... For all of mankinds existance it has been too COLD to snow at the poles.... Weird, but true....

As for the gas mileage DROPS.... Dispite modern materials and engineering they are getting HEAVIER and LESS aerodynamic. My car only gets 26+ MPG on the highway because it has extremely low drag and is quite light. The Taurus, etc... are rather heavy and bulky.

Heres the kicker... my great uncle drives FULL SIZE mercury cars. Always has since before I was born. His mid 80s V8 got about 26 MPG... he got one the last year they had a 5.0 in it (and old pushrod motor) and he got 32+ MPG on the highway in a full size V8 car.... He ended up replacing it because it had body-repairs he wasnt happy with after a deer collision.... He got the "new" version... pretty much identical car with the new OHC 4.6 litre V8.... he went DOWN to 24 MPG on the highway!

I've driven a few S-10 blazers in my time... the V6 engines USUALLY get better gas mileage than the I-4 counterpart because you tend to drive them with a lighter foot and they're more efficient under load (less capacity used often means more efficient PLUS you dont have to gear them to squeeze EVERY ounce of power out of the motor just to get them moving).

Dont forget how much gas we could save by changing driving habbits.... Electric cars GUZZLE amps if you have a heavy foot.... *shrugs* We'll see how they advance in the future.

[delicti]

Back on to electric cars, I thought you might enjoy this:

Enable IPC Corporation Ultracapacitor Delivers Twice the Expected Capacitance; Device Unveiled at nanoTX 07 Conference

Enable IPC Corporation today announced that the continuing development of the ultracapacitor product has resulted in a device that delivers more than twice the expected capacitance.

"On July 25th, EIPC announced that we had exceeded our performance goal of 3,000 farads per liter, which is in the range of the published performance data of similar commercially-available devices," said Enable's Chief Technology Officer, Dr. Mark Daugherty. "Today, we're prepared to announce that we have since more than doubled the performance to an average of over 6,000 farads per liter."

The company unveiled its prototype package at the nanoTX '07 conference in Dallas October 3rd and 4th. The response from those attending was overwhelmingly positive.

"We are working on the completion of our packaged alpha units," Dr. Daugherty said. "Once that is finished and the devices are fully tested and characterized, we anticipate making beta units available for field testing and analysis."

Market News First (MN1.com) covered nanoTX '07 and has featured Enable IPC in a short video segment about the conference available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcx0gyQpsU .

http://nanotechwire.com/news.asp?nid=5134
http://www.enableipc.com/update082007

I know you had asked as to how things are going with ultracapacitors. This company just revealed a model that is twice the capacitance of ultracapacitors currently in service. For comparison, the EV Mini Cooper that I had talked about uses 11 Farad capacitors:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006...nwheel_mo.html

So things are still progressing, it's just taking time, as usual.

[CptSternn]

Rizash -

If you haven't figured it out yet, delicti is not reading your posts. He is here to flood the thread to keep people from discussing the topic.

Much like the other threads, he is here to keep people from changing the status quo. Thats his whole thing. He likes bush, the current regime, and doesn't want anything to change.

He doesn't care about anyone else, their health, or saving gas.

Judging by his responses to your posts, he's not even reading your responses.

More importantly, on topic, it's safe to say there are enough Americans who fall into that category, the same 21% who still think bush is doing a 'great job' that think in the same manner, and who are trying to keep things like the electric car and other new green tech off the market.

That being said, sure if Americans would wake up, and not listen to right wing propaganda they *might* get that electric car, or a car that runs on compressed air, or a car that burns water.

It's not going to happen with delicti around.

Whats funny is down the road, like global warmning, the devalued dollar, variable rate loans, and fast food - all of these things will bite America in the arse. ALL Americans.

In this case particularly, the big US auto manufactures are losing ground by the day to foreign car makers. They are all in the red right now. When the electric car does hit the market, and does get accepted by the masses, it won't be in America.

That will be yet another new technology that will take root outside of America first, and Americans will be forced to once again take a backseat when it comes to technology because of the simple fact powerful lobbyist groups in congress with ties to the president have kept Americans back in efforts to bleed them for more money, at the same time causing more damage to our environment.

...but like stem cells, America will later be forced to make the changes, to keep up with the rest of the world. They will just have to take a backseat to emerging nations like India, China, and Eastern Europe, all who are now on their way to surpassing America and the American way of life.

[delicti]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

He is here to flood the thread to keep people from discussing the topic.

He likes bush, the current regime, and doesn't want anything to change.
...
He doesn't care about anyone else, their health, or saving gas.

No irony there. Not to mention you couldn't be further from the truth.

That being said, sure if Americans would wake up, and not listen to right wing propaganda they *might* get that electric car, or a car that runs on compressed air, or a car that burns water.

It's not going to happen with delicti around.

Although I'm the only one this thread who has been advocating electric cars this whole time. You even tried to argue against me when it came to electric cars.

In this case particularly, the big US auto manufactures are losing ground by the day to foreign car makers. They are all in the red right now. When the electric car does hit the market, and does get accepted by the masses, it won't be in America.

But it will be designed and engineered in America, with technology that is created and patented in America, because that's what's happening right now. Italy does have a good entry-level electric delivery van, and Britian has a really nice in-wheel electric motor.

Outside of that, who cares who's economy it's going to hurt? In case you didn't notice, global warming is effecting all of us, and we all need to do something about it.

They will just have to take a backseat to emerging nations like ... China, ... all who are now on their way to surpassing America and the American way of life.

I'm not going to debate this crap on this thread - but China? Come on!

Oh wait, they're Communist, which in your mind makes them shit ice cream. My bad. Sorry, I'm not in the mood to deal with your bizarro delusions today.

[CptSternn]

Two great articles, which once again back my points here...

First, Toyota is going to release a battery powered car that you can plug in at home. Contrary to what delecti said, that this is technology thats not yet available, turns out it is available and will be hitting the markets very soon...

http://news.**********/s/nm/toyota_p...mPDy7ctA.s0NUE

TORRANCE, California (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp on Friday detailed plans to study U.S. consumer demand for a version of its hot-selling Prius hybrid that could be recharged at a standard outlet and run on electric power only.

Also, on the topic of hydrogen...

http://news.**********/s/afp/usenvir...hlEQcUf0Ws0NUE

Hydrogen, the wave of the future, but how far down the road?

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States hopes to fill American roads with hydrogen-powered cars in two decades, but the clean fuel must be cheap and practical to make before it can replace oil, US experts say.

President George W. Bush unveiled a 1.2-billion-dollar initiative in 2003 to reverse US dependence on foreign oil and make hydrogen, which emits zero pollution, the fuel that drives the US economy.

"That was ambitious," said Timothy Wilkins, an attorney of the firm Bracewell & Giuliani LLP, based in Texas, who specializes in environmental and energy regulation.

"I think in a century hydrogen could fill a role like that, but not in 20 years," Wilkins told AFP, adding that the Bush administration was no longer as vocal about the plan as it used to be.

"To produce it like the gasoline scale, to get it in the vehicle fleet, fully integrated in the vehicle fleet and the infrastructure the fueling, stations ... it will take one century," he said.

As I stated earlier in the thread - the bush admin knew that hydrogen was the least likely to have any real change in the way people use energy - so by backing it they set back alternative fuels by decades. Just another example of who is really running the white house and what they care about.

[Opteron_Man]

from what i heard, they had this technology available to them 70 years ago, but never used it untill resently.