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03-29-2005, 02:19 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
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Yeah......always hated how they changed the ending to make it more palatable to American "sensibilities". I kept thinking "wow, you missed the point completely".....and after watching the live-action version of it, I kept thinking "when a version of the same story with Julia-Louise Dreyfuss that was made for TV is closer to the source material than yours, you REALLY fucked up".....
Lesson-skip both versions altogether and just read the fucking thing. What? Too cool to fucking read, or do you even know how?
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03-29-2005, 02:26 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Dublin, California
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Lesson-skip both versions altogether and just read the fucking thing. What? Too cool to fucking read, or do you even know how?
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I noticed the same thing about the animated version. There's a live action? Julie Dreyfuss??? jeezus...yes, even the laziest of readers should read it....its only what? 120 pages? i dont think its that people are too cool to read Loy...i think its that they're basically just too lazy. why bother with a book when hollywood and the MPAA will forcefeed you all you need to know?
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03-29-2005, 02:42 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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the first time we watched it, i hadn't read the book yet and it was no big shock that my podunk school library didn't have a copy.
when i was finally able to read it in high school, i remember thinking the book was better, so why didn't we just read that for class the first time instead of watching the movie? i guess the teacher thought we wouldn't "get it".....either that, or my suckass school couldn't afford copies of the book for all of us.
the next couple of viewings were accompanied by reading. you know the drill: read the book, watch the movie, write the paper. i just liked watching for the differences and being the only one who laughed sometimes.
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03-30-2005, 10:51 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The fiery depths of Hell!
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Last movie I watched was "The Lost Boys".
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03-30-2005, 11:20 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Originally Posted by DreamsInBlack
Last movie I watched was "The Lost Boys".
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04-01-2005, 07:00 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Seattle
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A few I've caught on (big move this weekend, so my movie watching isn't as up to par)
Mr. Klein-OK, so I'm going to finally say it-Joseph Losey is the greatest of all the underknown past masters of cinema. As baroque and pessimistic as his films are (he had been chased out of the country by HUAC, and started working with Harold Pinter, fer chrisakes!), his films have a way of crawling under your head. Whilst "The Servant", "King And Coutnry", "Time Without Pity" are seen as his masterpieces, I'll throw in "Mr. Klein" as the ultimate culmination of Losey's work. The story starts off with Mr. Klein, an art collector living in France during the Nazi occupation, who buys art from jews on the run. He then finds out that there is another Robert Klein who the cops are looking for (because he's Jewish). What starts as an investigation to clear his name of Jewishness becomes an investigation into the concepts of identity and guilt (both personal and social). Losey keeps the audience from developing any sense of empathetic knowledge of the main character with his sense of mis-en-scene, his baroque sets and art direction, the shadowplay and coloration schemas, and (mostly) the performance of Alain Delon, who is truly the master of cinematic cool (both "cool" in the sense of emotional coldness, as well as "cool" in the sense of stylish posterity....don't believe me? Check out "Le Samourai"). And though the distance would be a turn off for most film-viewers, it works perfectly for this film, and the distancing also makes the ending (one of the most blood-curdling expositions on the banality of evil this side of Polanski) hit that much more.
Kung-Fu Hustle-somewhere between Yuen Wo-Ping and Tex Avery lies this piece of fluffiness that's more entertaining than it has any right to be. OK, so all you'll remember after "the end" are the fight scenes, it's more than enough to justify losing yourself in the film (and yes, Al, Scarecrow has copies for sale).
"Together"-not the chinese film by Chen Kaige, but the Swedish film by Lukas Moodeyson. It's about a group of people who live in a hippie commune in Sweden during the 70s. It's also about a mother who brings her two kids with her to live in said commune after her and her husband fight. It's also about the neighbors, a middle class couple who, whilst disparaging the commune dwellers whilst dealing with problems of their own. It's also about the way kids, when facing adults who are less mature than them, end up being the strongest and most resiliant of us all. It's about relationships forming and falling apart, the way things go on, things change, things stay the same, the way we laugh, cry, hope, make amends......what this film is about, in the end, is life itself. And whoever thought a song by ABBA could be both heartbreaking and joyously hopeful? (Fucking ABBA....jeesus....). "Together" is the most truly human film I have seen since the films of John Cassavetes, and the most joyously humane film since the works of Renoir.
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04-02-2005, 01:49 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Originally Posted by Loy
Kung-Fu Hustle-somewhere between Yuen Wo-Ping and Tex Avery lies this piece of fluffiness that's more entertaining than it has any right to be. OK, so all you'll remember after "the end" are the fight scenes, it's more than enough to justify losing yourself in the film (and yes, Al, Scarecrow has copies for sale).
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Thanks. Actually we saw a trailer for it when we went to see
Sin City.
Great movie. I had only read the first book, about Marv, and that was shot for shot exactly like the book. The whole thing was great. Very violent, but you should already know that going in.
It was me, Manimal, EPS, and a mutual friend of ours. Me and the mutual friend were in line getting popcorn when I noticed this prick in front of me with "Ireland" tatted on the back of his neck, reeking of cheap liquor.
As the movie went on, there were about six punks (21+) behind the mutual friend and me, and they were pissing me off. One kept resting his knees up against the back of my chair, which I was willing to let go but once in awhile he'd bump it, so I just so happen to "drop something" and bend over to pick it up, only to shoot back up with my back hitting the back of my chair with enough force to remind his knees to behave. At one point I turned to Bryan who is generally mild mannered about stuff like that just shake his head.
That was all I needed.
I turned my head and said "shhh". When I turned back around I heard one snicker and mock my "shhh". I whipped around and not only looked at the original offenders, but I scanned the row slowly looking at all his buddies, six by my count. Must have looked pissed, cause they shut up.
Punks.
Shut the fuck up in the theater. No one wants to hear you or the fact your so stupid you have to ask the buddy next to you shit about the movie.
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04-02-2005, 10:38 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The Beautiful U.S. of A.
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I recently went to see Robots as well. Robbin Williams carried the whole thing on his back. Mel Brooks, surprisingly, wasn't handed any real humorous parts in this. Story was entertaining and the CGI was obviously superb, but as for the rest of it, it would have been all hunky dorey if I were choking on all the messages they were trying to cram down my throat with it. Especially since quite a few challenge the storylines of previous Disney classics.
"I don't need to be beautiful to be worth anything in this world? But pretty much everyone that's ugly in these other cartoon films are all evil people who ultimately meet cruel fates. Now it works in the complete opposite here while directly refering to outter beauty as being a major factor in life and it's outcomes?" I know that'd confuse the bejesus out of me if I were 6 years old again.
Disney needs to stick to the "kindess" shit and leave some of this other drivel out. Especially the stuff that's now being targeted at adults in the audience. I don't want a god damn cartoon telling my kid what an ideal parental role model is when I'm sitting right next to them in the aduience. "How come this kid's father doesn't ever get mad at him under any circumstances?" "Because it's all a bunch of idealistic and fictional horseshit. Everyone has a boiling point and Disney doesn't like to tap that ever because it's better to cause friction between kids and parents by establishing these unrealistic portrayals of parents being a bunch of god damn Dali Llamas."
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04-02-2005, 11:39 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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And I don't even have kids. You tell'em!!!!
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04-02-2005, 11:57 AM
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Next time use this
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makes people think Michael Moore is running to a French Film Festival! ^_^
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04-03-2005, 12:31 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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killers in the woods
Saw high slasher body in new indie film killers in the woods. web site at http://www.killersinthewoods.com
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04-04-2005, 10:18 AM
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Sin City - go see it. Right now. You'll either love it or you'll hate it but you have to see it.
If you are familiar with Frank Millers work you will love it. If not then - well I guess it depends on how open minded you are but I guarantee it's nothing like you've ever seen before.
As a bonus you do get to see Frodo beat the shit out of Mickey Rourke
Sin City: highly recommended by Manimal!!
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04-04-2005, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Canada
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Hostage.. It was alright...
But what I REALLY want to see is SIN CITY!
It looks so good... and I'm loving the soundtrack based off of what I've heard in the trailers... My friend and I had hoped to see it last night, buuuut... shit happened.
THIS WEEKEND! Hopefully.
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04-04-2005, 10:50 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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I can't wait to see Sin City, too ...
I've heard so much of it already...
the comic books were great, too.
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04-04-2005, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Well, Jessica Alba is hot again
and there is a scene where a guy gets his gentalia ripped off by hand. EPS and I appluaded, something the audience found odd I think, at least the cocksucker behind us did. Maybe cause they knew that's what I would have done had they not shut up!!
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04-04-2005, 12:17 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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Originally Posted by AlKilyu
Well, Jessica Alba is hot again
and there is a scene where a guy gets his gentalia ripped off by hand. EPS and I appluaded, something the audience found odd I think, at least the cocksucker behind us did. Maybe cause they knew that's what I would have done had they not shut up!!
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Yeah, I thought there was going to be blood in our popcorn..The guys behind us wouldn't shut the fuck up, and Al was about to get all medeival on them. Luckily, they recognized their impending doom and quieted down.
Even though I was sick as fuck, Sin City FUCKING ROCKED!!
This is the most amazing graphic novel adaptation I have EVER seen!!
Plus with Tarantino as a guest director with Frank Miller, What the fuck else could you ask for??
It was stark, and beautiful and sad and brutal..
Oh man I could go on and on..
And Mickey Rourke as Marv??
Oh my fucking god..
When I first read he was going to be Marv, I was like " Uhh Mickey Rourke? Wtf? "
But when I saw him, I was astounded..
He WAS Marv. In every way. You could hardly tell Mickey was even in there..He was fucking great!
Jessica Alba was friggin delicious as usual, but it was Rosario Dawson that got me all moist.. MMMM GAWDAMN she looked HAWT!!
Honorable Mention goes to Mijo, for being so fuckable and so deadly all at the same time!!
All in all the BEST fucking movie I have seen in along time!!
You MUST go see it or face Death By Bukkake!!
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04-04-2005, 02:37 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Seattle
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"Sin City"-OK, I'm gonna end up losing my "Geek-Chic" status by saying this-I was never impressed with Miller's "Sin City". I always felt that it was an "updating" of old noir cliches in all the worst possible excesses of the late 80's/early 90's penchant for "updating" ("updating" meaning adding cursing, fucking, and violence, but not really commenting on the original thing in the first place....kind of like David Mamet with Arthur Miller-style playwriting). And yes, I know Frank Miller did "Batman Returns", and is normally a great writer, but "Sin City" was, to me, nothing more than an overhyped hyperbolic masturbation fantasy for 13 year olds who have yet to actually get laid.
After seeing "Sin City", I think I know what my problem with "SC" was-it was never meant to be a comic book (sorry, graphic novel) at all. "Sin City" works in all the ways the comic (err....GN) never did-whilst upping the ante in the violence and sex department, Miller (and really, he is the only one of the three directors worthy of mention as a "director" on this project....and I'll get into that in a moment) also allowed us to see what he was going for-a deconstruction and mocking of comic book conventions (and it's constant placating to the post-adolescent mookheads). And this kind of deconstructionism just doesn't work for this kind of story on the printed page as well as it does on the big-screen....imagine any film Clint Eastwood has been in starting with "Fistfull Of Dollars" as a graphic novel....and you can't because they just don't work.
However, if you aren't on your awares, "Sin City" is filled to the brim with said "masturbatory fantasies for post-adolescents". Lots of guns, fights, blood, and boobies. And with a storyline that is (purposely) made for the ADD-afflicted, it's an almost perfect film for Friday night popcorn.
I said "almost". What makes it such a ahard pill to swallow for the beer-and-popcorn crowd? Simple-"Sin City" is too busy mocking itself and it's "targetted" audience for it to maintain anything other than a visceral thrill. Whilst the comic-geeks will obviously see it over and over again and go into detail about aspects of the stories, they'll skip over the fact that there are parts of it that are all about style and nothing about substance. Now, while I don't expect "Wings Of Desire" everytime I watch a film (I love the Mummy films, fer fucks sake), with the stylization and storytelling mode, I was sad that there were parts that were nothing more than just that. Why else would Jessica "can't act for shit" Alba actually be listed as an "actress" rather than "here to bring in the raincoat semi-pedophile crowd"?
And this is where I must bring up Mr. Rodriguez. Robert Rodriguez I have always compared to Francis Ford Coppolla in that both of them, on a visual and technical level, are amazing directors with one major fault-neither of them can tell a story for shit (and please, don't bring up "The Godfather"-the first two were brilliant more so because of Robert Evans than Coppolla, and if you don't believe me, remember this-the third one didn't have as much Evans influence over it....and don't EVEN try to convince me that "Dracula" was a great film, because you're only lying to yourself), leaving a whole slew of films you're amazed watching, but laugh about liking directly afterwards. One would have figured Rodriguez would have fucked up this film, and one could easily summise that it would have been a complete fucking mess if him and Tarantino (the most worthless hack this side of Joel Schumacher....don't even try to convince me otherwise, because it's an argument you will lose) had been left to their own devices. However (and I can't say for sure whether this was his call or Millers), he was smart enough to have the original creator involved in an extremely major way thats unprecedented in adaptation for film. And, after watching "Sin City", all I can say is "thank fucking god for that".
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04-04-2005, 04:27 PM
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First off....FM didn't write "Batman Returns". He wrote "The Dark Knight Returns" there's a HUGE difference (one being a top notch GN, the other being a sad Burton flick...). And secondly, Fist Full Of Dollars could easily work as a comic. (look up Apache Skies...a western with good dialogue and a believable amount of action). With someone like Bendis writing it, it would EASILY work (see Daredevil for a further example of how the dialogue would carry over....and the mood). And THIRDLY (can i say thirdly ?) The over the top attitude you say is "mocking itself" is more like Frank Miller amplifying everything he loved about the movies and pulp novels that inspired it. There was never enough sex, violence, or style. He wanted more of that, so he made it happen. Quit trying to dig so deep into subplots and hidden meanings, and just read an interview or two once in a while....
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04-05-2005, 02:43 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norway
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Reformat!
All this sideways scrolling is seriously nauseating.
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04-05-2005, 06:07 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: a small corner of hell
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Yes I am too lazy for this,
I watched The Final Cut last night, It was a good movie, ended kind of odd though.
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04-05-2005, 02:52 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Seattle
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Deadhymn-First off, I appologise for confusing the name of an above-average comic series with the name of an above average Tim Burton film.
Second off, I was actualloy speaking of Clint Eastwood films in general, but OK, let's take your silly idea of "Fistful" working as a comic....sorry, but "Fistful" works on so multiple levels, and the way the story exposition is constructed makes it impossible to hit all those level without mis-en-scene and scene movement/construction, which comics don't have. Now, I'm not saying comics aren't capable of multi-level storytelling (look at "The Watchmen" or "Sandman", or evenn the classic "Love And Rockets"), but "Fistful" (and really, any film with Clint in it afterwards) are made specifically for screen. And I'm actually offended that you'd put "Apache Skies" in the same field as the Leone films! How DARE you! See, "AS" is an example of my problem with "updating" (adding more "fucks", fucking, and fighting for no reason other than to do so), whereas Eastwood, starting with "Fistful", has made a career out of deconstructing masculinity. I should hog-tie you naked and toss you into the Eagle with a note pinned on you saying "I have **** fantasies" for your inherent blasphemy!
Third off, if Miller was just trying to amplify all that stuff, well he not only failed to do so in a credible manner, but has been beaten to the punch already (let's see, "Point Blank", "Chinatown", "The Grifters", "Last Man Standing", "Red Rock West", "Last Seduction", "Man Who Wasn't There", "Blood Simple", "Miller's Crossing", "A Simple Plan", "Sleepers", "The Driver", "The Long Goodbye", "Taxi Driver", "Body Heat", "LA Confidential", "The Grifters", all of Melville's films, "Shoot The Piano Player", "Breathless", "Band Of Outsiders", all of Chabrol's films....I'm sure I can come up with a more comprehensive list, but this is just off the top of my head). No, everything about "Sin City" is so over the top that it becomes ludicrous, and becomes a mocking of the conventions being over-amplified, which brings about the questioning not only of those conventions, but of the attitudes behind them, thus becomes a deconstructionist movement. And I'm willing to buy this coming more from Rodriguez than Miller, but as I said, the cohesion of everything seems to come more from Miller than from Rodriguez as evidenced by their works as a whole.
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04-05-2005, 06:06 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,130
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Tron
Don't remember Tron having male cameltoe, however...
Oh and Loy: A good number of the movies you mentioned I hate. I hate movies where it is a twist upon a twist, etc.
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04-08-2005, 05:00 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Louisiana
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The Village
Bridget Jones 2 (NOT a word...)
Exorcist: The New Beginning
I loved 2 of the 3. Bridget Jones took the cake on the cheese factor, but Renee Zelwegger is adorable with that "just bit a lemon" face. Bravo.
*Soul*
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04-08-2005, 05:41 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Athens, Greece
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Donnie Darko.
I'm not impressed.
OK, the rabbit suit was scary and the ending interesting, but I can't really say if it was a horror film, a science fiction film or a teen flick.
Average.
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04-08-2005, 07:19 AM
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#825
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Netherlands
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Snatch
An extremely cool movie
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