Emo - Page 4

DecadentHeroine · 03-01-2007, 07:55 PM

I don't mind the "scene emo" culture, and even like some punk-emo music such as My Chemical Romance or Cauterize. They have OK lyrics, a meaning and have the right to exist. The scene fashion is usually attractive as well.

What really annoys me is what people overdo it, or just turn emo overnight for purposes of fitting in with the "alternative" crowd or getting attention. One day they are wearing minishorts and those baggy shapeless tops that seem to be mainstream fashion for some strage reason, the next they have hair in their eyes, Converse shoes and scartches on their wrists.

If they genuinely like the music and the style and don't do anything to you, let them be.

KontanKarite · 03-03-2007, 10:51 PM

Mmm. You know, I don't think it's our lack of liking the "scene-emos" as it's simply that too many people can not differentiate between goth and emo. Granted, you have to take all the sub culture with a grain of salt, but to the ones of those sub cultures, it matters to them. You'd never call a black guy "white" to his face, would you?

Sadly, it's not like goth is ever going to be recognized as its own culture by society anyway, so we will always be lumped in with the less than steller bunch.

mrs.wes straker · 03-04-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Crying_Crimson_Tears

Sterotypes are overrated anyway. All I know is that if they mind their own business, then I have no reason to bother them.

I really still don't get what emo is. I'm not sure what goth or punk is really supposed to be. I feel like you should do whatever you want to do, whenever you want, and not think about what others think or worry about who's staring. It seems like loads of people who don't mind being call gothic like the same things I do, kind of think how I do, and that's why I like this site. Honestly, though, labels make me cringe. I don't necessarily feel like I need to be a part of something. I actually prefer being separate from everyone.

Hmm. I don't know if this is out of context, but I think that having love for tragic romance, darkness, so on and so forth is more gothic than wearing all black clothes. Whatever you do, it should be original, at least in your own mind.

Ictum · 03-04-2007, 12:01 PM

"I still don't get what emo is"

Then don't be such an imbecile, mrs.wes straker. Look it up.

You annoy me.

Caught · 03-04-2007, 12:28 PM

I've got 2 very good friends who are emo, I also got some other friends which are punk but we're all good friends which means it doesn't really matter if you are emo, gothic or something else. I don't mind emos, never did, in fact I've grown up with a guy who became emo and then there's me who became goth, that guy and I are still great friends altho we're a little (sometimes a lot) diffrent. We're both "diffrent" than the big mass and that suits us, we're happy the way we are and so are we about eachother.

mrs.wes straker · 03-04-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ictum

"I still don't get what emo is"

Then don't be such an imbecile, mrs.wes straker. Look it up.

You annoy me.

I annoy you because I don't understand ridiculous trend terminology and the petty, small reasons people find to look down on others?

One great thing about not getting the stupid, superficial world of trends it is not really caring about it; and not really caring whether I annoy you or not.

Draconysius · 03-04-2007, 04:11 PM

Mrs. Wes, all three subcultures --punk, goth, emo, are communities for unusual people with like minds. I don't think I can make it any clearer.

mrs.wes straker · 03-04-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Draconysius

Mrs. Wes, all three subcultures --punk, goth, emo, are communities for unusual people with like minds. I don't think I can make it any clearer.

That's fine. Maybe I should've said what I really meant instead of expecting people to read between the lines. That is, that I think labels suck.

I would think that most individuals agree.

Vyvian Blackthorne · 03-04-2007, 04:47 PM

Since when do we consider "emo" a subculture? Now, before the many opositions are brought up I must say (with the admitted breif lack of objection) that emo perhaps is only the mainstream's poor substitute for goth. Yes, emo started out as the underground's emotive hardcore musical genre but I honestly think there is but a fad of emo throughout youths that is not bad in any terms but a pretentious rip off of mainly punk and alternative-and now goth in fashion terms. The boundaries of emo are not that of a subculture but that of a slang and even musical and clothing style, it's foundation has no true followers but the kids we see in the mall not called goth because they're in stripped gap clothing with brown hair brushed down to their eyes. I respect you deeply Draconysius but in my opinion considering 'emo' a subculture is like considering atheism a religion-though it may be thought of in this legion it truthfully is not to the foundation of being what it is thought out to be. Sorry for my stringy vocabulary.

mrs.wes straker · 03-04-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vyvian Blackthorne

Since when do we consider "emo" a subculture? ...I honestly think there is but a fad of emo throughout youths that is not bad in any terms but a pretentious rip off of mainly punk and alternative-and now goth in fashion terms. The boundaries of emo are not that of a subculture but that of a slang and even musical and clothing style, it's foundation has no true followers but the kids we see in the mall not called goth because they're in stripped gap clothing with brown hair brushed down to their eyes.....considering 'emo' a subculture is like considering atheism a religion...

I haven't read much more of this thread, and maybe I should've before commenting but give me a break, there are pages and pages. Anyhow, the above is pretty clear. Would comparing emo kids to black kids who grew up in the suburbs dressing urban and pretending to be ghetto? It seems so.

I was about to ask why everyone is that annoyed by wannabees. As long as they don't bother me, why should I give a f*ck?

But then I recalled how annoying those suburban hip-hop heads are, with their fake ghetto accents and clothes a kid in the ghetto could only dream of affording, and yeah, I get it.

Draconysius · 03-04-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mrs.wes straker

That's fine. Maybe I should've said what I really meant instead of expecting people to read between the lines. That is, that I think labels suck.

I would think that most individuals agree.

Actually, I tend to disagree. Labels are essential. Words themselves are labels, being references or symbols to objects, concepts, etc. Also, music would be very confusing without labels. I mean, would you like to go into a record store, tell them "I want something dark and heavy, but I don't like labels", and they'd give you a Britney Spears CD. How do THEY know what's dark and heavy without a genre label. Consider that. It's much easier for me to ask for some 80's goth rock than just say "goth". The way I see it: the more specific the label, the better.

mrs.wes straker · 03-04-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Draconysius

Actually, I tend to disagree. Labels are essential. Words themselves are labels, being references or symbols to objects, concepts, etc. Also, music would be very confusing without labels. I mean, would you like to go into a record store, tell them "I want something dark and heavy, but I don't like labels", and they'd give you a Britney Spears CD. How do THEY know what's dark and heavy without a genre label. Consider that. It's much easier for me to ask for some 80's goth rock than just say "goth". The way I see it: the more specific the label, the better.

Ha. You do have a point. You are completely right. What was I thinking?

I'm not being sarcastic. I guess I shouldn't stress so much when people open their mouths to ask me, "Are you -insert label here-?"

Draconysius · 03-05-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mrs.wes straker

Ha. You do have a point. You are completely right. What was I thinking?

I'm not being sarcastic. I guess I shouldn't stress so much when people open their mouths to ask me, "Are you -insert label here-?"

0.0 Wow.
Anyway, it is completely wrong for people to stereotype other people. You call yourself a goth and most of them will think you're a wrist-cutting metalhead Satanist. However, that's just part of human nature. Only those of us with enough intellectuality (goths, in other words) ever overcome human nature.

And, if all else fails, why not snap back with a racist comment directed at them?
Normie:"Look over there, it's a Satan-worshipping goth!"
Goth:"Look over there, it's a witch-burning Christian!"
See what I mean? XD

LaKeesha · 03-05-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mrs.wes straker

I annoy you because I don't understand ridiculous trend terminology and the petty, small reasons people find to look down on others?

One great thing about not getting the stupid, superficial world of trends it is not really caring about it; and not really caring whether I annoy you or not.

OK. You know, I have to admit this myself.
*I* sometimes have no damn idea what terms mean these days.

"Candy Raver". WTF is THAT ??

See?

Cyntrox · 03-05-2007, 11:07 AM

As for the whole labels thing: I agree that labels are good, to an extent. However, there quickly become too many. Look at music for example, there's so many different "genres" that you really have to do your research to keep up with it.

Draconysius · 03-06-2007, 07:46 AM

I personally hate how emos are the most targeted denomination in modern racism. I can safely say that about 85% of the adolescent male population are practicing bigots of emos. I'm surprised that any emos are left, considering the amount of persecution they go through every day. I wouldn't be surprised if they started cutting themselves now. Society sometimes creates a collective demon with its hatred. I feel much sympathy for anyone with enough balls to belong to the subculture.

KontanKarite · 03-06-2007, 08:27 AM

Ah, that is true. Emos take a lot of shit. But a smart emo would know that it comes with the territory. So I guess a little degree of respect is in order for them. Maybe not a whole lot, but for the ones that are in it for the long haul, they must obviously feel there's something in it.

I still stand by my last statement. I honestly do not care about Emo, but I do care that people call out things correctly. But what can you do? Even if they did call you a goth and was correct, they'd blame you for Columbine and satan worship.

mrs.wes straker · 03-06-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

I honestly do not care about Emo, but I do care that people call out things correctly. But what can you do? Even if they did call you a goth and was correct, they'd blame you for Columbine and satan worship.

This is what I'm saying about the whole label thing!!! Today someone accused me of being a goat-sacrificier!! What an assumption. But what do you do except for laugh it off?

MollyMac · 03-06-2007, 03:27 PM

There is a difference between labels and stereotypes. One leads to the other in smaller minds.

Vyvian Blackthorne · 03-06-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by mrs.wes straker

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Would comparing emo kids to black kids who grew up in the suburbs dressing urban and pretending to be ghetto? It seems so

You're on the right track, citing emo and 'ghetto' styles originated from boundries that are often misconcieved to be subcultures; when really, the only true word to describe such things are as 'fads'. Now, I don't wanna get into the whole 'gangsta-poseur' method because it just doesn't appeal to me, but I will say that both of these non essential "labels" have origins that are not that of a subcultures. A genre perhaps, but definetly not a subculture.

KontanKarite · 03-06-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mrs.wes straker

This is what I'm saying about the whole label thing!!! Today someone accused me of being a goat-sacrificier!! What an assumption. But what do you do except for laugh it off?

Well, when it's REALLY bad when someone comes up to you and calls you Emo. Then you correct them and they continue calling you emo.

A friend of mine brought something like this up on a much grander scale. Something about there being a huge thing about anti-intellectualism amongst many many Americans. They can see the brilliance in "Good hard work and honesty pays off", but they can't see the genius in art and music.

Why do you think the simplest of rap music is so popular?

The mentality is sort of like "If you can't eat it, then what's the point in it? Ugh!"

You know, this really is depressing. I really wish my friend was wrong, but I don't really see any contrasting evidence to prove those wishes to be true.

Vyvian Blackthorne · 03-06-2007, 04:35 PM

It normally goes like this:
(a paraphrase of a modern school with an intelligent babybat)
"Hey are you emo?"
"No. Goth. Why?"
"What's the difference?"
"I could go into that..." (explains)
"Oh. Do you worship the debil? Do you like sacrafice animals 'n shit?"
"No, that's not a goth. Those are called Satanists... (mumbles) idiot..."
" 'kay why ya always in black?"
"Fuck off already."

Vyvian Blackthorne · 03-06-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Super Spright

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Satanists don't worship the devil.

Well, I believe traditional Satanists DO worship the devil, LeVay's modern Church Of Satan satanists follow the Satanic bible. Which, of course, goes into detail of how his philosophy believes in Satan as a symbol, and not a truly existing figure. Also, for a schoolboy to understand it's the first word to come to mind regarding a devil-worshiper contray to the use of stereotype.

raggedyanne · 03-06-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork

No one at my school could differentiate between the two, but then that's what it's like to be away from the mainstream. It isn't common knowledge, and I grudgingly admit that the confusion can't be blamed. Maybe a little.

I hate their pants though.

Same with my school, but you have to admit, the pants are quite comfy. I have been caught once or twice in tight grey jeans, but only on laundry day. Please though, don't laugh about the whole "babygoths are just emos in disguise" conspiricy. It's annoying that everyone thinks I'm emo. They associate emo with self mutilation and for people who have had issues with self mutilation being called emo can be really depressing.

KontanKarite · 03-06-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by raggedyanne

Same with my school, but you have to admit, the pants are quite comfy. I have been caught once or twice in tight grey jeans, but only on laundry day. Please though, don't laugh about the whole "babygoths are just emos in disguise" conspiricy. It's annoying that everyone thinks I'm emo. They associate emo with self mutilation and for people who have had issues with self mutilation being called emo can be really depressing.

I would imagine a baby goth is just that. A VERY young goth, usually finding out about the subculture and the role they have in it and weather their values are parallel to the said sub culture.

Hell, I'm 22 and there's still very much about the sub culture as a whole that I'm still learning. But that's what makes it so great. In an ever evolving culture, you are always changing, always dynamic.