gay marriages

[Panther]

Originally Posted by Morpheus_Noctifer

There are several mistranslations in the Bible, and a few words were even given new meanings.

Yes, there are. And this is what makes teh debate even hotter, the fact that a book written hundreds of years ago in a nother language says you can't love someone who's the smae gender as you, and if you do, you go to hell.

That is the extent of the arguement against gay marriage. The heart of the issue is, it scares some people, and it makes them uncomforatble, so instead of adapting and allowign it, they want to swuish it. Story of the human race, let's move on.

As for gay marriage, if I want to marry a woman who I absoloutly love int eh future, nothing is goign to stop me from finding a way. Simple as that.

[WolfMoon]

*And now for something completely different*



Does your Jesus hang low,

Does He wobble to and fro,

Can you tie Him in a knot,

Can you tie Him in a bow,

Can you throw Him over your shoulder

Like a continental soldier,

Does your Jesus hang low

[Morpheus_Noctifer]

Originally Posted by WolfMoon

*And now for something completely different*



Does your Jesus hang low,

Does He wobble to and fro,

Can you tie Him in a knot,

Can you tie Him in a bow,

Can you throw Him over your shoulder

Like a continental soldier,

Does your Jesus hang low

No, but my devil's horny.

Nice little song parody :wink:

Originally Posted by Panther

Yes, there are. And this is what makes teh debate even hotter, the fact that a book written hundreds of years ago in a nother language says you can't love someone who's the smae gender as you, and if you do, you go to hell.

That is the extent of the arguement against gay marriage. The heart of the issue is, it scares some people, and it makes them uncomforatble, so instead of adapting and allowign it, they want to swuish it. Story of the human race, let's move on.

As for gay marriage, if I want to marry a woman who I absoloutly love int eh future, nothing is goign to stop me from finding a way. Simple as that.

Sad, I would expect someone wishing to live or living an alternate life style to be aware of the issues facing them. This is what religion does to a debate, it puts the subject in the background and seeks to subjugate and dilute the topic in moral rhetoric.

And Panther, it's not as simple as you saying no one can stop you from marrying a same sex partner. The problem isn't just a piece of paper saying you're married, or divine religious freedom from fanatics. It's the fringe benefits, the tax breaks, the death rights, and the security of protection. Government, at its core, is simply an organization that has a singular duty of protecting personal property. Gays are not represented by our government, and if we as a culture can't even extend the basic human rights to our fellow O2 suckers then how do we afford them spiritual equality?

Personally, I'd like to see gays elevated to human class citizen, and when people see them as kindred sprits then we'll be able to extend spiritual equality as well.

[evelynne]

Xnguela - I don't live in America but can I come to your house and join the rally anyway? Man, not only was that website full of bigoted rubbish, they couldn't even be bothered setting it out properly. Do they believe they're going to convert people with dot points? The layout is almost as disgusting as the attitude.

[raven_of_mourning]

but yes gay marriages should be allowed full benefits as hederosexual (sp?) marriages. a government that is based on the theory that all men are created equal should not be allowed to give and take benefits as they see fit.

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

but yes gay marriages should be allowed full benefits as hederosexual (sp?) marriages. a government that is based on the theory that all men are created equal should not be allowed to give and take benefits as they see fit.

Look, this is as fun as clubbing baby seals, and as challenging as getting a crackwhore to suck a dick for a sugar cube. First couple of times, yeah it’s thrilling, then it just becomes sad.

Pretty soon someone’s gonna come and arrest me for Equinenecrophilia, but before they do I’ll just leave this parting advice.

Do not change your opinion more than once in a days period.

Do read extensively to form your opinions and give both sides due study.

Do not base every argument on the bible, there are more current precedents available to prove your point.

Do try to formulate your ideas into coherent words, with punctuation, and as correct grammar as you can manage. If you think it might be (sp?) wrong, then it probably is, and you have access to a computer or you wouldn’t be posting here, so give us a fucking break and look it up!

[raven_of_mourning]

Do not change your opinion more than once in a days period.

here's some advice, read and understand things before posting about them. i never changed my opinion, if you would have read instead of thinking (oh he is using the bible, lets go after him) you would have seen it, i never said gay's shouldnt get married, personally if they want to go for it if they dont, then they can be like the other non-married couples in the world.

Do read extensively to form your opinions and give both sides due study.

maybe you should try this one out yourself.

Do not base every argument on the bible, there are more current precedents available to prove your point.

i dont base every argument on the bible, but when a question comes up concerning what the bible says, it's a bit hard to steer clear of it isnt it?

oh and i truly dont care that much about this argument, that you see as such a pressing matter to continue going on about, to spend alot of time checking my grammar, puncuation, and spelling, but i will go ahead and apologize for misspellings because obviously YOU have never misspelled anything.

quit with the thread-jacking already. besides this is abvously going no where so why continue it? i wont. the end.

mwahh

Did you hear that?

mwahh.

There it is again.

mwahh.

The sound of another baby seal dying.

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

maybe you should try this one out yourself.

And again, your basis for that is what? I reference multiple sources whereas you just source your ass for information. And you don’t want to challenge my reading material, it’ll fucking bitch slap you a cunt.

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

i dont base every argument on the bible, but when a question comes up concerning what the bible says, it's a bit hard to steer clear of it isnt it?.

You've made more references to the bible in the last week than all combined members have made in the last two months. If you worked on Wallstreet you'd be able to follow that trend and make an educated move and invest in pig bellies.

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

oh and i truly dont care that much about this argument, that you see as such a pressing matter to continue going on about, to spend alot of time checking my grammar, puncuation, and spelling, but i will go ahead and apologize for misspellings because obviously YOU have never misspelled anything.

quit with the thread-jacking already. besides this is abvously going no where so why continue it? i wont. the end.

I'll just cover this in one long tangent. I care about the topic because fellow humans are being oppressed, and I don't really think that's right. I'm utilizing my right of free speech to speak out against it. As for your grammar, the thing that bothers me isn't that you misspelled words, or your lack of punctuation (show of hands, how many people have I growled at for bad grammar…OK, people who didn’t claim to be writers) but what fucking gets me about you is that you’re lazy. In one of your post you said you don't use periods because they are too final. Fucktard, how are people supposed to understand you? And, then there’s the odd habit where you know a word might be misspelled but don't take the time to correct it. That's just shoddy workmanship, and say's much about you as a person. As for thread-jacking...you read comatoast's post on that, so now you think you have an idea what it means. Again a prime example of how utterly stupid and lazy you are. Thread-jacking is taking a topic and veering away to your own discussion which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Even this post isn't thread-jacking because I'm calling your opinion, your knowledge, and your character suspect concerning every post you have made on this subject.

mwahhh.

And another seal bites the dust.

[SuicideJade]

i'm gonna perform a small thread jack..
i know who the jellobeast is in my pen that Ravena made me over in If Goths Ruled the World...
it's Raven_of_Mourning :twisted:
flames apparently don't do a body good :P

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

in my opinion one thing i cant stand is homosexuals trying to be married in a church that is christian..

First, I can’t stand is not interchangeable with I do not understand, or I don’t mind. It is, ironically, interchangeable with I hate and I fucking loath, so maybe you can see where your points begin to drift from your meaning?

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

You still have yet to understand what I said in the first place. Now whether or not the original texts or what Jesus said or anything proving whether the texts that say it is wrong are true or not, that is a totally different topic. The point is that is the book that the christian church is based off of and it says that it is wrong but yet gays want to be part of it, it just doesnt make any sense to me. I never was raising an issuse that they shouldnt be married and your quote from my original post doesnt say that I am saying gays shouldnt be married.

I understand what you are TRYING to say, but you’re just not saying it well (read your first statement above.) I’ve tried to stimulate your thought process by being reactionary, by being flamboyant, condescending, and even trite, which is what I am right now, but you still don’t get it.

I’ll help you out.

What you are trying to say is you don’t understand why gays would want to be married, or would want to be a part of an organization that condemns them. Now, it’s not the church that condemns them specifically, the church is rather free with their condemnations and doesn’t discriminate so much on the degree of sin but rather seeks to teach the existence and avoidance of it, yet it’s the people of the church; through personal interpretations and mock understandings, who try to impose a measure of moral superiority on everyone around them.

And instead of just saying you don’t understand why a person would want to belong to a spiritual institution whose members routinely attack them, which we can compare with our own little board here and ask why you would want to be part of a community that rejects you, but instead of saying you don’t understand you try to dress it up, and your makeup does nothing but reveal you further in the harsh intolerant light of ignorance.

Enough on that subject.

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

And just how did I take the emphasis away from human rights? That is what I want to know. Oh I am diverting your attention away from the issue and attempting to throw a fog of uncertainness about... wow getting poetic arnt ya T... It seems to me you have done a remarkable job of diverting things from the issue to a simple "flame raven post." You never made a single post arguing the issue opppsite of what I said, all it was, was a bunch of drivel about how I am stupid, blah blah blah dont quote the bible, blah blah blah I want to anally **** you with a baseball bat with nails in it (resorting to violence right away.. good way to start, do you start and finish all arguments with violence?), blah blah blah stop trying to convert people, blah blah blah ooo I know what your intentions were from the very begining (because obvious you are psychic, dipshit) But really, just how did I take the emphasis away from human rights? This should be a good post from you, cant wait to read it.

You are taking the emphasis away because you deride the issue in personal morality, and it’s easy to make people forget we are talking about actual honest to goodness people when we strip away their humanity, which also makes it easier to hate them. We’ve done the same thing to Women, Native Americans, Jews, Blacks, Chinese, Arabic and more notably Islamic People, and to whatever the new flavor of next month may bring.

As for me not making a single post in opposition of your argument, well that’s just fucking stupid isn’t it? What you should have said is I haven’t engaged your ideas in direct debate, and I would think the reason for that obvious. YOU don’t have to be psychic to figure them out, just like you I gave a few hints as to my motivations.

Mwahhh said the baby seal.

[raven_of_mourning]

OK great, whatever I'm done arguing. At least has the point I was trying to make been understood?? Because personally I dont like being called an intolerant homophobe when it is far from the truth, perhaps you guys do, but I dont, perhaps I am weird who knows. I must congratulate you TStone, I have never seen anyone proclaim their own victory quite as many times as you, it is a wonderful ability you should be proud...

Actually, I never said you weren’t homophobic. I said you were confused and mired in your opinions, but that doesn’t mean you aren’t homophobic. Quite the opposite.

Just because I could glean what you meant to say doesn’t lessen what you really said.

[evelynne]

Who was it that said those sites would be hilarious if they weren't dead serious? (not in those words, obviously) Because I agree, but I'm too tired to look up the exact quote. Dear godess. I'm going to bed.
Don't try to stop me Xnguela, I might be able to bitchslap Bush while I'm up there... lol... (inarticulate yawn)

[raven_of_mourning]

raven_of_mourning, will you tell me honestly that you hate homosexuals? I can believe that perhaps you don't agree with the idea of homosexuality, but do you really, truly, honestly hate homosexual people simply because of their sexuality?

.... I do not hate homosexuals, never have never will, never said I did or ANYTHING to that extent. Just because a few people, who think too much of themselves, want to claim somebody is a homophobe or anything like that, does not mean that it is true. I dont know how much more blatant I can be in saying it. I have tried but I suppose some people simply wont listen.

[Empty_Purple_Stars]

Originally Posted by raven_of_mourning

I dont know how much more blatant I can be in saying it. I have tried but I suppose some people simply wont listen.

Is it just me or does anyone else see the brilliant display of irony betweeen the tone of Ravens posts and his Sig?

"If you don't antagonize people, they are less likely to throw things at you."

:roll:

[Suiside_Kitty]

you know, i was fully intending to post here, because i Do have an opionion on the topic.... but it seems like a waste of time, since it's become a public arguement between Two people. so, ok..... on to a different one. :roll:

[JoneZZe]

Originally Posted by Xnguela

I have many catholic relatives, so I have come to accept intolerance and fear of gay people, but I don't think that I have ever seen something so blatantly hateful! It's bizarre! I happen to think it's kind of funny, actually... but then, I'm one of those people who choses to laugh so no one can see me cry.

Just so you know, before you generalise chatholics, i'm a bi sexual chatholic, my friend is lesbian and she was recently confirmed. most catholics have moved on from hating gays, even my local priest says god loves everyone and that gays are no different. I'm fed up of going on all these sites and getting my religion slagged off because of a few zealots. i feel people who want to discriminate gays because of the bible should either go all the way with the bible, or not at all because of their own prejudist (sorry, i'm useless at spelling) the bible also says you can have your wife stoned to death if her parents can't prove their dauter's virginity; do we take notice of this? no! so why are we discriminating Gays.

Originally Posted by Suiside_Kitty

you know, i was fully intending to post here, because i Do have an opionion on the topic.... but it seems like a waste of time, since it's become a public arguement between Two people. so, ok..... on to a different one. :roll:

I work better with direct insults because I tend to miss the discreet ones. Just an fyi.

[WolfMoon]

Originally Posted by TStone

I work better with direct insults because I tend to miss the discreet ones. Just an fyi.

*SNORT*

BWAHAHA

EPS,I noticed it too. :wink: Guess that means he's asking for it.

[kog3100]

No hating on the Tstone. He is still discovering himself. And these boards are one of the tools he uses to do that.

Along with a mirror.

:wink:

[WolfMoon]

Originally Posted by kog3100

No hating on the Tstone. He is still discovering himself. And these boards are one of the tools he uses to do that.

Along with a mirror.

:wink:

Know thyself!!!

:lol:

[Empty_Purple_Stars]

Originally Posted by WolfMoon

*SNORT*

BWAHAHA

EPS,I noticed it too. :wink: Guess that means he's asking for it.

Hi Wolfie, Texas blows..Please lobotomize me..Leave a message..

BEEEEP!!!

Brilliant display of Irony Part Deaux..

Originally Posted by Empty_Purple_Stars

Is it just me or does anyone else see the brilliant display of irony betweeen the tone of Ravens posts and his Sig?

"If you don't antagonize people, they are less likely to throw things at you."

:roll:

Ahhh good times..


*fucking sigh*


I REALLY need to get out more..


Anyone interested in freeze drying me and mailing me to Guam?

:shock:

[WolfMoon]

Originally Posted by Empty_Purple_Stars

Hi Wolfie, Texas blows..Please lobotomize me..Leave a message..

BEEEEP!!!

Brilliant display of Irony Part Deaux..

Fucking shit!!Just call me the Queen of Redundancy!!!

:roll: