Nazis: NOT Goth!

L1feOnM4rs · 02-20-2007, 10:50 PM

Okay, so maybe I'll take some heat for this, but honestly, I'm tired of all of these people who make Nazism seem like some sort of Goth-chic. Its not. Sure there's the black leather boots, the supreme creepiness, the occult connections etc, but please, get over it. I don't mean to say that its wrong to find the whole thing interesting, its just that its not a fashion statement. Military inspired clothes are fine, but wearing your favorite SS getup isn't. As I've said, I understand the fascination, but I just feel like it gives the subculture a bad name - it plays right into the warped expectations of those who view goths as threatening. Granted, any goth kid should seem a little creepy, but preferably in a more subtle, less antagonistic way. Please, its really time it stopped being cool to quote Mein Kampf and wear red arm bands and whatnot. Let's all move forward as a culture.

Splintered · 02-20-2007, 11:57 PM

Eh.
Who are we to dictate what someone else believes politically? It basically follows along the line that "You wouldn't stop someone from being a (Insert "Normal" Political Party Here) and being Goth, so why is (Insert "Abnormal" Political Party Here) excluded?".

Vako · 02-21-2007, 12:18 AM

Any true Nazi would know that in doctrinaire Nazism, Gothic culture would most likely be considered as "degenerate culture".

As Phrank once sang, "Take off your Swastika".

PersephoneX · 02-21-2007, 12:21 AM

What do political views have to do with being Goth? What does someone's religious stand point have to do with being Goth? Is being a NAZI and Goth different from being a Republican and Goth? Or is being Agnostic and Goth different from being Christian and Goth? Am i making any sense?

To each his own.

KontanKarite · 02-21-2007, 01:24 AM

Mmm... I can see where he's coming from. When I returned home from Italy, I was accused of being racist for being goth. I've never worn the military get up, but since the culture likes the patterns that Nazi uniforms had, I had my own family try to pigeon hole me into a neo-nazi group.

It's not so much that they should stop as it is that society as a whole could probably do better to understand their sub cultures. Until it really hurts someone, IE: People actually experiencing racist hate crimes from Nazi looking goths, people shouldn't care. But hey, Goth is a very misunderstood and dynamic sub culture. We're never going to be fully understood and let's face it, we ARE spooky as fuck when it comes right down to it. The animosity comes with the territory.

Drake Dun · 02-21-2007, 03:44 AM

Dude. National socialism is SO not goth.

Whether it is cool or OK or not to wear Nazi stuff is another question. But it is not goth, any way you slice it.

Drake

HumanePain · 02-21-2007, 04:48 PM

But I do like the gas masks and goggles. And the flame throwers. And Lugers.

Drake Dun · 02-21-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HumanePain

But I do like the gas masks and goggles. And the flame throwers. And Lugers.

Don't forget trench coats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...Ypres_1917.jpg

Drake

HumanePain · 02-21-2007, 08:18 PM

That Wiki photo was awesome!

killer_asian_Dax · 02-21-2007, 09:25 PM

Not once have I ever heard anyone associate goth-ism with Nazi-ism. I've heard some people who believe that lesbianism and bisexuality is a serious psychological DISORDER; but not from the most religious bible thumper (and that might be because I live in southern California) to the dumbest fuck you dig up, have I ever heard Nazis and goths associated.

republigoth · 02-21-2007, 10:01 PM

It's about making yourself into the adversary of established society. As long as you have that, the actual beliefs don't matter to most people donning the uniform.

I would ware an SS uniform, if I had one. They're sexy, and taboo. and it doesn't matter that i'm as far away from socialism as you can get on the political scale.

you can't be afraid to turn something into art. That means it owns you.

KontanKarite · 02-22-2007, 12:47 AM

Republigoth wins...

Vyvian Blackthorne · 02-22-2007, 12:49 AM

http://www.thesunblog.com/sports/arc...c-Chair_01.jpg

sexy!!!

Lucretia_my_Reflection · 02-22-2007, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vyvian Blackthorne

http://www.thesunblog.com/sports/arc...c-Chair_01.jpg

sexy!!!

yeah man gonna stick that one on my wall ..

Vako · 02-22-2007, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Republigoth wins...

This is not a pissing contest. It is a discussion.

655322 · 02-22-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by republigoth

It's about making yourself into the adversary of established society. As long as you have that, the actual beliefs don't matter to most people donning the uniform.

I would ware an SS uniform, if I had one. They're sexy, and taboo. and it doesn't matter that i'm as far away from socialism as you can get on the political scale.

you can't be afraid to turn something into art. That means it owns you.

Not too sure what side of the poltical spectrum you're on, but if you want to make yourself into the "adversary of established society" I suggest the sexy visigoth style.

http://www.garbtheworld.com/pgs/hist/visigoth.shtml

Valerius · 02-22-2007, 06:03 AM

That's the price you pay for being part of a subculture that is by and large misunderstood by the vast majority of the population. What do most people do when they don't understand something? They fear it, and a lot of people hate what they fear.

That and the stigma created over the Holocaust and the years of mental fat and ichor that have built up due to decades of legal brainwashing against the Nazis and their atrocities just put us on society's list of people to watch out for, and/or hate.

And did that photo of Saddam HAVE to be posted?

L1feOnM4rs · 02-22-2007, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Valerius

That and the stigma created over the Holocaust and the years of mental fat and ichor that have built up due to decades of legal brainwashing against the Nazis and their atrocities just put us on society's list of people to watch out for, and/or hate.

Are you saying we've been brainwashed into thinking the Holocaust was really really bad? And why should that put Goths on a list of people to hate? Just because we're different...and therefore like Nazis? You make it sound like the Nazis were some persecuted, misunderstood subculture. They weren't. As someone said before, they would have undoubtedly classified Goths as a "degenerate" culture and arrested every single mopey kid with black hair they saw. We would be on THEIR "list of people to watch out for and/or hate." They were society, in all of its disgusting, violent glory. And the whole "Art statement" thing is really old. Wearing an SS uniform isn't going to make people think; it is not going to challenge expectations or do anything productive for that matter. Its not a rebellious, bold, clever, or artistic. Its been done, and its just offensive - and not because people are ignorant and have sticks up their asses. No, its because there are still people who remember seeing their family members dragged away by men wearing those uniforms. Ask them what they think of your "Art statement."

Valerius · 02-22-2007, 06:35 AM

Oh, no no no. You misunderstood my statements. Never would I say that the Nazis were in any way the 'good' guys. It's just that in my point of view no-one in this modern world is the 'good' guy, nor anyone from any other's perspective really good. You have to know that history, as we know it, is basically a one-sided story of the victors.

That the Nazis were evil, I have no beef against that, but if you knew me personally then you'd know me as a cynical person whose only people I don't consider motivated by some selfish interest are those I know personally and have reason to believe otherwise.

Any way, I don't consider the wearing of SS uniforms or imitating the goose walk funny. I consider it a sensitive matter that should not be taken lightly.

republigoth · 02-22-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by L1feOnM4rs

And the whole "Art statement" thing is really old. Wearing an SS uniform isn't going to make people think; it is not going to challenge expectations or do anything productive for that matter. Its not a rebellious, bold, clever, or artistic. Its been done, and its just offensive - and not because people are ignorant and have sticks up their asses. No, its because there are still people who remember seeing their family members dragged away by men wearing those uniforms. Ask them what they think of your "Art statement."

Repressing a personal choice for the sake of society at large? Sounds like you'd fit in in nazi germany alot more readily than I would, my friend.

Me like=me wear. No more complicated than that. It's called democracy. Deal with it.

Your logic essentially is that Jon Stewart should be taken off the air because he mocks a war where people have died yesterday, today, and tommorow, and that hurts the feelings of the kids mothers. Are you willing to follow through with your logic on that?