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11-06-2009, 01:21 PM
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What does belong to Gothic?
Hi!
In advance sorry for my english. I have a question about gothic subculture. I am from Russia, and unfortunatelly the thoughts about the subculture of people there don't correspond with real "gothic" life.
Can you tell me some information (the best variant is to give the links to authoritative sources) about the gothic subculture, to be more concrete, the info that proves that Gothic Metal doesn't belong to the goth's subculture, Does electronic music (darcwave, EBM) refer to it, and if there any world outlook (ideology) of goths?
And please, answer the question, who is goth? Can we call the goth a person, who wears casual clothes?
And what can u say about the words "Gothic is for each person is his/her own"?
Thank you.
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11-06-2009, 01:39 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Australia
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A Goth is someone who listens to Goth Rock, bands include:
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Sisters of Mercy
Bauhaus
The Cure
I think Joy Division may be one, but I'm never sure.
Plenty of Goths can and do wear casual clothes, trying to doll up like some sort of "uber leather bondage goth thing" generally doesn't look too good at a job interview or while working, not to mention it's kind of ugly.
I'm 99% sure there's no world outlook, it's not some idealogical culture aiming for a certain change in thinking as far as I'm aware.
"Gothic is for each person is his/her own" is bullshit, that's just some feel good crap that people use to try and reinforce their sense of individual identity. Naturally though, everyone will like different bands and songs in the Goth Rock genre, and that's about as far as you can stretch that statement.
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11-06-2009, 01:56 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Sir Canvas Corpsey, thank you. And what is about gothic metal? If the person listens to it, how is it possible to demonstrate, that it is not goth's music? or is goth's?
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11-06-2009, 02:06 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Okay, Batcave, with only 2 posts and before you go on, you need to do the following:
1) Read For the Newbies!! Yes, that means You!.
2) Introduce yourself properly in the Introductions forum.
3) Read Goth With A Sledgehammer.
If you still have questions after that, then ask them here.
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11-06-2009, 02:25 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
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I've read it. Still i have questions: about gothic metal and dark electro...
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11-06-2009, 02:39 PM
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Yeah? Then this would be the part where you go ahead and ask those questions ... as I said. Although there is a music forum HERE, but I don't think it matters that much.
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As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
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the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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11-06-2009, 03:47 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Dark Electro is terrible. Switch to Agrrotech or something, you'll thank me later.
Gothic Metal is really broad. Everything from the good stuff like My Dying Bride and The Gathering, to new age crap like Evanescence. You'll have to be more specific as to what you're into.
Technically, neither genre is "Gothic" though. Just dark.
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11-07-2009, 08:59 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
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As far as i understood from this post a person is not a goth if he doesn't correspond with the statement "You feel the need to spend a lot of time creating things (music, art, poetry, philosophies, stories and the like)".
But, if a person listens to goth rock/post-punk and enjoy it ONLY without desires of creating smth, he or she is not goth?
Why we call people who listen to punk-rock punks, but people who listen to goth-rock not goths only because they have no creativity?
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11-07-2009, 10:06 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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I think you may have to re-phrase that last one, Batcave. I don't know if I understand.
But on a side note, welcome to the boards, fellow Russian goth! haha
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11-07-2009, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Originally Posted by Sinjob
I think you may have to re-phrase that last one, Batcave. I don't know if I understand.
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ok, in other words: is it necessary for goth to "..feel the need to spend a lot of time creating things (music, art, poetry, philosophies, stories and the like)"?
And if the person doesn't feel it, but only listens to goth-rock?
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11-07-2009, 11:54 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Nah, don't listen to that part you quoted. Someone that only fits into "listens to goth rock" is a goth.
Goth with a Sledgehammer romanticizes what 'goth' is and puts too many qualifiers to being a goth.
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11-07-2009, 07:49 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Batcave
But, if a person listens to goth rock/post-punk and enjoy it ONLY without desires of creating smth, he or she is not goth?
Why we call people who listen to punk-rock punks, but people who listen to goth-rock not goths only because they have no creativity?
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A person who listens to Gothic Rock is a Goth, regardless of whether they are creative or not.
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11-08-2009, 10:48 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Georgia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Batcave
ok, in other words: is it necessary for goth to "..feel the need to spend a lot of time creating things (music, art, poetry, philosophies, stories and the like)"?
And if the person doesn't feel it, but only listens to goth-rock?
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I think the most important thing is to be creative no matter what you do, and what you are.
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11-08-2009, 10:52 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SiouxsiePernova
A person who listens to Gothic Rock is a Goth, regardless of whether they are creative or not.
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Listen to this chick.
She knows her shit.
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