Rebelious Goth Here...

[Vyvian Blackthorne]

Originally Posted by Bloopie

everyone is a noobie sometime. so why bash them? they may be really cool. some people just conform on the surface you know.

I have seen, for a while, a lot of n00bies kicked off. Though there is no reason to bash, there are mixed opinions regarding music, art, etc. but yeah, for the majority it was really harsh to RG despite the "poseur" in her. And remember, I pointed out her misspellings and flaws, not exactly attacking.

[maggot]

We don't want everybody. We only want those willing to listen. Not those who have temper tantrums, and then act like children such as Kaz.



The introductory bashing is a sort of rites of entrance.

[Vyvian Blackthorne]

(Referring to Maggot's post):
Accurate Justification. Gothic.net is open to everyone.... everyone who actually can relate and or write or bring up interesting discussions. I acutally was bashed by Pyre, DarkHeartedDemoness, and Dracon before I posted an introduction. Now all of them are on my buddy list!

[maggot]

Those who will listen in general, but only to the right sources. And we are one of the few havens of the real thing.

[Kaz]

Originally Posted by maggot

We don't want everybody. We only want those willing to listen. Not those who have temper tantrums, and then act like children such as Kaz.



The introductory bashing is a sort of rites of entrance.

I am a little bit confused.
Listen to who exactly...and to what, also why?

Also do you not think that it too is just a little bit childish having an 'introductory bashing?'

[maggot]

Our guiding hand. Well, more of a guiding fist.


Of course it's childish. I don't really care if it is or isn't.

[KontanKarite]

Mag, you're a god damned elitist.

Mag is right though... People who are willing to listen in general.

I will say this much, some people on here can learn a little diplomacy at any rate.

[Renatus]

I think everyone can agree we all have mood swings and post acording to our current mood. Somtimes we are more open to criticism on the spot, and other times we hate ourselves for the previous actions. Quite frankly I just notice it when I can and go with the flow (as if we have a choice not to). I also just noticed that quite frankly I say quite frankly alot and quite frankly saying quite frankly soo much is quite frankly getting on my nerves. Right now it is humid where I am and when it is humid I am more easily frustrated. Soo many variables contribute into a person's mood, it is fun, and confusing to think about.

[maggot]

Well, the thing is that there is no one definition of goth, so if you don't like ours, instead of trying to be tough and "fight the power", leave and find one that suits your definition.

Remember, you stumbled into OUR territory.

[maggot]

I'm not even a goth. :P

I just enjoy boosting my ego by picking on others who are smaller than me.




It's really hard to beat someone in an argument when they're not arguing back.

[Vyvian Blackthorne]

I hate to be this ignorant, but isn't Rivethead like an offspring from goth, though with Industrial Music? I don't honestly know much about other subculture histories, other than the many from the 80s, 70s, etc.

[maggot]

Well, actually, although the term "rivethead" came about in the 80s, industrial has been a valid of genre of music since before gothic rock.
It got it's name from an industrial compilation series, whose name eludes me. The second album was known as "Rivethead culture."


There's even been music that could be considered "industrial" as early as the 1910s.
It's generally considered as starting in the early 70s, though.

Rivethead and goth culture grew up together, such as punk and new wave did.

Lots of goths who never studied up on rivethead culture, though, are really arrogant and say THE RIVETHEADS ARE JUST A SHITTY OFFSHOOT OF GOTH.


In other words, it's more like goths are depressed rivetheads with Robert Smith instead of Genesis P-Orridge.

[maggot]

What are you talking about? o_O

I was talking to the Vyvster over there.



Good attempt at winning. You still failed, though.
Troll.

[Vyvian Blackthorne]

Originally Posted by maggot

Rivethead and goth culture grew up together, such as punk and new wave did.

Lots of goths who never studied up on rivethead culture, though, are really arrogant and say THE RIVETHEADS ARE JUST A SHITTY OFFSHOOT OF GOTH.


In other words, it's more like goths are depressed rivetheads with Robert Smith instead of Genesis P-Orridge.

Well I wouldn't say we're arrogant, but because of the associations and relation with the genres would result in a mixture, like ASF. So there would be an obvious misunderstanding. Thanks for the summary, though.

[maggot]

I didn't call you arrogant, by no means.

You said you weren't sure.

There are just lots of arrogant little ...things... That will say that.


The ones who are arrogant are the ones who didn't research, and then act like they did.

[maggot]

Well, in my culture, the Rivetheads, there is a very definite definition, albeit an unworded concept, and we're very elitist. You need to know the history of Industrial better than the back of your hand, or we'll beat you up.

[maggot]

No, because you're not in my subculture.


And it's only if you're not elite enough.

[maggot]

Well that's what a lot of goths say.

On the other hand, a lot of goths are pretentious, stuck-up, pseudo-intellectual assholes, who only vaguely know the roots of what they claim to be part of.



Our "barbaric and immature" culture keeps out the little shits who decide one day that it would be cool to be a rivethead. It's damn near impossible to be a poseur Rivet.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Bloopie, just look at this. The member that has been here the most does not identify herself as a goth. One of the most respected and intelligent members (Circle V) would hate you if you said he's a goth; and not in an Eldritch 'I'm not goth and for some reason that makes me more of a goth' way, but in an honest request not to be called one.
Really, about one fourth of the people must not identify themselves with the gothic subculture but are just attracted to it.
We don't judge by gothiness in this site, although we do point out when someone is clearly a mallgoth.
But we do dislike many things. In this specific thread, what I didn't like were:
-Her writings. Just read them and tell me if you can consider that poetry. I'm not asking her to write Shakespeare (that would actually be very pretentious) but poetry should have a (profound) meaning.
-Her musical tastes. This is of course a matter of taste, but you can easily see why we can't identify with her musical tastes.
-Her favorite outfit. The best thing she can think of is 'anything of Hot Topic' or 'her all black dress from Hot Topic'. The fact that she mentioned it twice implying she has several outfits exclusively from Hot Topic tells us she loves that store. I hate that store; and not in the 'I say I hate it and yet I buy in it' fashion. That store commercializes personalities. It's stupid. If someone wants to buy everything in one of the corners to go from 'punk' to 'goth' in two easy steps (pick & pay) fine; but I don't see much creativity in that. I'd rather dress in button shirts every day than dress in 'gothier' outfits which I didn't come up with by myself.

Also, wheverver your opinion of us, I wouldn't take Kaz as an 'ally' of sorts. She's biased against Americans.
It's adamant clear to me and I'm not even an American.

[om3gag0th666]

isn't that the definition of a bigot?

[HumanePain]

Well! Look who has returned from exile!

[KontanKarite]

Meh.

So many flavors to choose from. I identify as a goth Plain and simple. I jump from industrial to darkwave to goth rock in my tastes. Oddly enough, I feel that I identify with each genre.

Curiously enough, I've been called steam punk for this reason because I tend to don the romantic aesthetic both modern and old world while containing bits of cyber.

That is odd. There is no such thing as a steam punk music genre. Not yet anyway and some say it's punk with more air powered instruments like pipe organs with an adventurous sound with romantic lyrics. To me, that kind of music would get on my nerves.

I'll stick to my gothic music, thank you.

[KontanKarite]

You know, I never clarified what I meant in my last post. Essentially, it's about self identity. If you are a goth, then you must know why and you need to know what a goth is in the first place.

But hey, hasn't everyone already said this?

[Kaz]

I feel quite biased against Americans as I was told that there were a few on here who slammed other people.

GJ, although you are not American, I do find you very annoying.
I guess that I was wrong...maybe (yes I am trying to admit to it) that it really is not to do with just Americans, more people in general on these boards who seem to enjoy slamming other people.
As I said before, it is easy to be nasty behind a computer screen isn't it.
I don't know you and what you may spit at me really has no affect on me whatsoever.
My advice GJ, seeing as we don't like each other, is for us to stay away from each other on these boards...simple.

[HumanePain]

Originally Posted by Bloopie

this isn't a contest. i was asking a serious question. not everything is defined in right, or wrong. sometimes i just want to understand a person's justification for their knowledge. how does this knowledge help you in life?

Oh-my-egg-on-face666/spright/bloopie (I'll just call you Mr. Split Personality from now on):

Mag doesn't have to like knowing something because it helps him in life.

Anyone can like knowing something just because they like it.

Being a member on Gnet doesn't help you in life, but you persist in posting here.
Look in the mirror and you will find the answer to other's motivations in yourself.