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10-09-2008, 12:31 PM
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Ideas for art project?
I want to do an art project that is:
Gothic, dark, eerie, surreal, gloomy, sinister, mysterious, aristocratic, horror, creepy, victorian, vintage etc...
Containing objects like: old gramophones, bats, graveyards, old science equipment, formaldehyde animals, pocket watches, aristocrats, flock/damask wall paper, parchment, wax stamps, foxes etc.
Influences: Edgar Allan Poe, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Roald Dahl (yes I know they're not artists haha).
Salvador Dali.
I need a theme.
Any ideas? - Themes, name for project and general stuff.
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10-09-2008, 12:51 PM
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Already been done. Mel Brooks. Called it 'Young Frankenstein.'
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10-10-2008, 01:17 PM
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My apologies Bat. Went back and reread this. Try a collage or a diorama. That might work. (Or you could do a still life).
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10-10-2008, 01:42 PM
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It's alright. Hmmm by project I mean like a themed sketchbook kind of thing, (not just one piece), so I need an idea for a theme for the project.
Oh, and other things I'd like to include are:
Storms at sea, anatomy and dissection.
Not sure how to put all these things into one project though.
I need a creative name/theme.
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10-10-2008, 02:03 PM
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Is this for school? It sounds very cliche, if it is.
... Don't ever put Dali in with that bats, graveyards, old science equipment shit. Just - No.
You've also got too many sources, from too many genres. It'll look messy and won't flow well. I'd say mix 3 genres max.
If you're trying to get good marks too, these are all very, I dunno, unoriginal ideas. Think out of the box a little. Also, how are you going to do freaking observationals on bats, formaldehyde animals, aristocrats and foxes? You won't be able to pull all of these into one final piece without it looking like a 14 year old mall goth's jumble sale.
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'The difference between false memories and true ones is the same as for jewels: it is always the false ones that look the most real, the most brilliant.' - Salvador Dali
Pie Jesu domine..... Donna eis requiem - *thwack*
'To become truly immortal, a work of art must escape all human limits: logic and common sense will only interfere. But once these barriers are broken, it will enter the realms of childhood visions and dreams.' - Giorgio de Chirico
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10-10-2008, 02:09 PM
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Hi Lis. Very salient points. Well put.
Okay, Bat. Lis gave me an idea. It's this. Do a sketchbook on the Mummer's Museum in Philly. (Always wanted to go there. It's a museum that combines medical anomalies (oddities) with the bizarre). You might even title it 'Mummer's Museum'. That's the only way I can think of that you could pull all this together. (BTW Mummers has a website). Good luck.
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10-10-2008, 02:09 PM
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It's not for school.
Yer you're right, there are too many things, but that's just how I am - messy and jumbled.
What, parchment and formaldehyde animals are mall goth?
Foxes and storms at sea together in one project is cliche?
I don't think so.
But yer I see where you are coming from with like jumble sale and messy, that's why I need one theme, that I can concentrate on, otherwise my art projects lead no where.
And you're right about not putting Dali in with those things. He's just one of my general influences in art.
Cheers.
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10-10-2008, 02:16 PM
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Thanks Jaye Jang.
There's another museum - Gordons Museum, that sounds similar to that.
Except with both of them, it is quite hard to get information and pictures on the internet.
Also it's hard to go to visit them as well.
I'd like to have a few more ideas before I finally decide.
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10-10-2008, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat Attack
It's not for school.
Yer you're right, there are too many things, but that's just how I am - messy and jumbled.
What, parchment and formaldehyde animals are mall goth?
Foxes and storms at sea together in one project is cliche?
I don't think so.
But yer I see where you are coming from with like jumble sale and messy, that's why I need one theme, that I can concentrate on, otherwise my art projects lead no where.
And you're right about not putting Dali in with those things. He's just one of my general influences in art.
Cheers.
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If you just want to entertain yourself for a few weeks/months then do whatever the fuck you want. If you actually want to create art, as in good art, then messy and jumbled doesn't usually work too well. Maybe look at Picasso's 'Guernica' for jumbled. I'll check out some sources you may like...
Yes, they are. They're in the oh-so-dark antique 'spooky' object category. Foxes and storms at sea? Hmm (see Turner for storms at sea). I get the feeling you don't 'get' surrealism. It isn't just a load of random shit you like stuck together, to seem unusual. Surrealism works with dream images, and just sitting in front of paper for hours drawing scenes from the subconscious. Surrealism can also not just play with subject matter, but composition, perspective, and colours.
If you really can't decide which themes to go for, do a few preliminary sketches of the objects, and ideas. Then see which work best. Don't mix them all.
Now... I'm googling you some sources. Like it or not....
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'The difference between false memories and true ones is the same as for jewels: it is always the false ones that look the most real, the most brilliant.' - Salvador Dali
Pie Jesu domine..... Donna eis requiem - *thwack*
'To become truly immortal, a work of art must escape all human limits: logic and common sense will only interfere. But once these barriers are broken, it will enter the realms of childhood visions and dreams.' - Giorgio de Chirico
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10-10-2008, 02:35 PM
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Yer I've looked a Turner.
And I do get surrealism. I've done many projects on it in fact, and this time FOR school, so I wasn't actually going to do it in this project. And I wasn't necessarly going to include Salvidor Dali in my project, I was merely mentioning that he's my favourite artist. I see what you mean though, but I am going for the odd/unusual sort of thing not surrealism.
Oh and not jumble like Guernica, ah I'm sick off that, we spent like 1 year studying it.
Yer I'm going to put a few of my sketches up later.
And thanks.
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10-10-2008, 02:35 PM
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'The difference between false memories and true ones is the same as for jewels: it is always the false ones that look the most real, the most brilliant.' - Salvador Dali
Pie Jesu domine..... Donna eis requiem - *thwack*
'To become truly immortal, a work of art must escape all human limits: logic and common sense will only interfere. But once these barriers are broken, it will enter the realms of childhood visions and dreams.' - Giorgio de Chirico
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10-10-2008, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat Attack
Yer I've looked a Turner.
And I do get surrealism. I've done many projects on it in fact, and this time FOR school, so I wasn't actually going to do it in this project. And I wasn't necessarly going to include Salvidor Dali in my project, I was merely mentioning that he's my favourite artist. I see what you mean though, but I am going for the odd/unusual sort of thing not surrealism.
Oh and not jumble like Guernica, ah I'm sick off that, we spent like 1 year studying it.
Yer I'm going to put a few of my sketches up later.
And thanks.
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Oh. Well what kind of fragmented were you going for then?
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'The difference between false memories and true ones is the same as for jewels: it is always the false ones that look the most real, the most brilliant.' - Salvador Dali
Pie Jesu domine..... Donna eis requiem - *thwack*
'To become truly immortal, a work of art must escape all human limits: logic and common sense will only interfere. But once these barriers are broken, it will enter the realms of childhood visions and dreams.' - Giorgio de Chirico
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10-10-2008, 02:43 PM
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Thanks for the help. Really appreciate it.
I know them all except the Palozzi ones.
I actually started off wanting to do a project on storms at sea, but then I wanted to do anatomy.
The thing is, I get really impatient and restless, so as soon as I started one project, I would want to start another, thats why I wanted to put it all together.
So I just need a theme/title that will include most/a nice amout of them nicely and neatly. And then I can forget about the rest and concentrate on that.
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10-10-2008, 02:47 PM
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Why don't you just do three little ones.
Landscape - for the stormy seas, well 'seascape' I suppose...
Portraiture - For the anatomy stuff.
Still Life - For your antiquey Victorian shit.
Depending on enthusiasm and dedication, you could possibly do all at once. But don't mix them; the focuses will be all funny.
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'The difference between false memories and true ones is the same as for jewels: it is always the false ones that look the most real, the most brilliant.' - Salvador Dali
Pie Jesu domine..... Donna eis requiem - *thwack*
'To become truly immortal, a work of art must escape all human limits: logic and common sense will only interfere. But once these barriers are broken, it will enter the realms of childhood visions and dreams.' - Giorgio de Chirico
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10-12-2008, 07:30 AM
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Oh yes, I've been on that website before.
Thanks anyway.
It still is hard to find pictures etc.
Anyway, I've decided I'm going to do two projects, both at the same time, but separately: "Storms At Sea" (storms at sea, moby dick and sea monsters) and "Anatomy" or mabye "Human Form" (Old anatomy drawings etc, dissections and old science equipment etc), so that website will be quite useful.
Thanks for the help Jaye Jang and Liusaidh.
I might put some pictures of my progress up in the art thread soon.
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10-12-2008, 09:24 AM
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Regarding the "old scientific equipment", here is a collection of photos to kick-start your imagination:
http://www.apsleyfairs.com/exhibitors.php
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10-14-2008, 10:56 AM
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Thanks, that's really useful. 
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