Goth murderer's sentence reduced.

[Necrophagist]

After viewing everyone's points, I find that Jillian, Pinstripes were partly correct.

Jillian is right in saying that half of you are hypocrites. Honestly; some of you want horrible things to happen to those teenage murderers; far worse than anything, which happened to Sophie. I think they deserve every single millisecond they spend in that jail.

Some who die deserve life, others who live deserve death; but the question is can we give them that?

[PinstripesAndPithHelmets]

Jillian was just looking to pick a fight, nothing more. He seems to think that the only reason someone on this site would empathize with the victim of the crime in question is because she dressed "goth". He's as narrow-minded as they come, and, what's worse, he pretends to be the opposite. If anything, he's just as much a hypocrite as those he seeks to condemn.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Tell me how I'm a hypocrite.
Honestly, why do you condemn me of picking up a fight when you're trying to argue with me for having the same opinions of these kids as you?
But have all the others showed this much empathy to any other hate crime?
Do the rest in this thread feel like fifteen years is enough?
Are they not upset about a reduction of nine months from a penalty of sixteen years?
Do they not think the worst of these three teenagers when some in this site have even mentioned an idiotic interest in serial killers?

honestly, what the fuck are you trying to fight here?

[Steppenwolf]

Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

Not me. I'm too nice to beat someone up. They'll probably get beaten up in jail, mind you.
I wish we had the Death penalty over here. Use it as a deterrant for premeditated murder.

Slow a bit down and think twice (or try it) before you speak ... Speak it aloud again and you'll see probably what I mean .

[freddy666]

they killed a person who could have lived for at least 60 more years, when they get out of jail they will be 30 they will still have part of there lives ahead of them but the girl is just dead

[Saya]

Originally Posted by Albert Mond

No. The death penalty isn't punishment. But it is a better solution than building bigger prisons.

Did you know that because of all the legalities and automatic appeals, it can take fifteen to twenty years for someone to be executed, and a lot of the time they die naturally before they are to be executed? And its more costly to house death row inmates than regular inmates?

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by Saya

Did you know that because of all the legalities and automatic appeals, it can take fifteen to twenty years for someone to be executed, and a lot of the time they die naturally before they are to be executed? And its more costly to house death row inmates than regular inmates?

That's because they aren't doing it right.

[Alain]

Originally Posted by Albert Mond

No. The death penalty isn't punishment. But it is a better solution than building bigger prisons.

The UK doesn't have a death penalty. If you want to debate the efficacy of an OT form of capital punishment, please start a new thread, guys. No matter how valid your opinions are, it's still off-topic. No matter how tasty flame wars can make spam, it is still just crispy spam.

Edit: I don't mean just Albert, but all death penalty posts, by the way. His was just a good one-line example. Didn't quote you with any anger or malice, Albert.

[Sir. Helpmann]

It is dangerous to allow the state to decide who should live and who should die.

Where will it end?

It may not happen today, but tommorow it may be legal to kill you on the basis of your political affiliation.

I know, the death penalty faggots will call me an "extremist" but that's more or less the sum of allowing the state to kill off it's citizens.

The Death Penalty is a miserable example of state interfearance. I find it odd that America, a country that is so anti-socialist (no national health service) feels it has a right to kill people with the power of the modern state rather than save lives.

[Ms.Crowbar]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Thanks for proving my point.
The only reason you guys are so whiny about this particular death is because you can picture yourself in her place because she wears the same clothes than you, huh?

The justice system has already done something. Why do you think fifteen years inside concrete walls with worse criminals is not enough? What would you choose out of the opinions of what to do with these guys that the people in this thread have mentioned: cutting their balls and setting fire to a forest, or beaten almost to death for their mothers to cry?

You have also proven that I'm right. You are too stupid if you really think through and beyond this.
The death penalty has been almost entirely proven to be no deterrent at all for crime. And now you advocate the implementation of this brutal - and racist, allow me to add - form of 'justice' simply because you finally care about one single hate crime.

How the fuck is that me being racist?
Sorry for wanting those fuckers, who killed an innocent girl for no other reason than the way she dressed, to pay for what they did.
And by the way, I would still have cared if Sophie hadn't been Goth, because I can't stand people who kill for any other reason than self-defence.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

because I can't stand people who kill for any other reason than self-defence.

Then why give them the death penalty, you stupid fuck?

[Bat Attack]

Originally Posted by JCC

Then why give them the death penalty, you stupid fuck?

EXACTLY!!!
The death penalty should be abolished, it's a load of shit.

[Noirette]

Originally Posted by Steppenwolf

No . Hitler was a *mass-everyday* murder and the guys were *only one time* murders .
You can't say Hitler was worst just because the number .
Murder is murder is murder ...
They'll root in poverty? Sure , but in the meantime they'll have free school , free food and free shelter , while others like you and me will have to fight for this ... Some of us also will die really poor .
How ironic that some of them are the same ones who gave money for them while they were in jail , including the parents of the murdered girl .
Nah , to take the risk of trusting a psychiatrist (a human who judge another at the end of the day) is much too risky .
I dont think psychiatry is a serious science , and I honestly dont think every ape who is a pychiatrist is able to really see what is inside someone's mind .
I said that I felt sorry for everyone involved in this horrible case , sure I do ... But see what Hitler did , he shot himself . That was the best thing he ever did for the germans and for the whole world .
Those cowards are unable to finish their lifes , and we all have to support them financially ... And then we'll probably see them outside in 3 years .
No . Just ... No .
I cant put human lifes at risk just to "see what happens" ...

If you can compare Hitler with those three drunken teenagers, something is terribly wrong with you. Terribly, terribly wrong.
Have you ever tried to actually gain some knowledge about his deeds so you could tell this? Or are you just trying to be "fair" by telling that every stupid drunken, maybe even visious if you insist, teenager who can't control himself can be immediately compared to Hitler?

[Necrophagist]

MsCrowbar - you've contradicted yourself...Again!

[Sir. Helpmann]

Originally Posted by Noirette

If you can compare Hitler with those three drunken teenagers, something is terribly wrong with you. Terribly, terribly wrong.
Have you ever tried to actually gain some knowledge about his deeds so you could tell this? Or are you just trying to be "fair" by telling that every stupid drunken, maybe even visious if you insist, teenager who can't control himself can be immediately compared to Hitler?

Sounds like someone has a strong affinity with Hitler

[Sir. Helpmann]

Originally Posted by PinstripesAndPithHelmets

Jillian was just looking to pick a fight, nothing more. He seems to think that the only reason someone on this site would empathize with the victim of the crime in question is because she dressed "goth". He's as narrow-minded as they come, and, what's worse, he pretends to be the opposite. If anything, he's just as much a hypocrite as those he seeks to condemn.

Jillian's problem, as I see it, is that he knows a smattering of knowledge but lacks the intellectual capacity to understand or correctly apply it.

[Ms.Crowbar]

Originally Posted by JCC

Then why give them the death penalty, you stupid fuck?

Because they deserve it.
They're not innocent, like people who kill in self-defence are.
They don't feel guilty for what they did. No remorse whatsoever.
Cold-blooded killers who'd probably do it again if they were given the chance.

[PinstripesAndPithHelmets]

Originally Posted by Sir. Helpmann

Jillian's problem, as I see it, is that he knows a smattering of knowledge but lacks the intellectual capacity to understand or correctly apply it.

Actually, I agree with you here. He's half-smart, which is almost worse than being totally ignorant of something. He only knows what a handful of anarchist polemicists have written, and has a feeble, at best, grasp of anything beyond that. I seriously doubt his capacity to think freely, or to adapt what knowledge he does acquire to new situations and thought patterns.

That, and his writing style is fucking atrocious.

[Sir. Helpmann]

Originally Posted by PinstripesAndPithHelmets

Actually, I agree with you here. He's half-smart, which is almost worse than being totally ignorant of something. He only knows what a handful of anarchist polemicists have written, and has a feeble, at best, grasp of anything beyond that. I seriously doubt his capacity to think freely, or to adapt what knowledge he does acquire to new situations and thought patterns.

That, and his writing style is fucking atrocious.

Reading Jillian's posts is like reading Hitler's Table Talk; scatter brained ramblings of a systematic mind that simply scratches away at the pages of knowledge, vainly applying them to justify the most horrific of conclusions.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

Because they deserve it.
They're not innocent, like people who kill in self-defence are.
They don't feel guilty for what they did. No remorse whatsoever.
Cold-blooded killers who'd probably do it again if they were given the chance.

Fuck, I must've overlooked the part where you took control of their minds and found out everything they felt. I thought you were working from media coverage, my bad.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

How the fuck is that me being racist?

The death penalty is racist. I didn't say you were racist. I'm only saying you're too much of an idiot that you can't think of the context of implementing the death penalty, and that obviously you can't read my posts.

Originally Posted by PinstripesAndPithHelmets

He's half-smart, which is almost worse than being totally ignorant of something. He only knows what a handful of anarchist polemicists have written, and has a feeble, at best, grasp of anything beyond that. I seriously doubt his capacity to think freely

Please; have we even talked about anything that didn't begin with your attacks towards your ignorance on anarchism?
You're just trying to agree with a sexist jerk who still believes in social darwinism because you can't possibly think of how to be social with me.

[Sir. Helpmann]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

The death penalty is racist. I didn't say you were racist. I'm only saying you're too much of an idiot that you can't think of the context of implementing the death penalty, and that obviously you can't read my posts.
Please; have we even talked about anything that didn't begin with your attacks towards your ignorance on anarchism?
You're just trying to agree with a sexist jerk who still believes in social darwinism because you can't possibly think of how to be social with me.

You wouldn't survive five minutes in an anarchy; a pretty boy like you with a mowhawk would be slaughtered.

[~~Auriel~~]

Originally Posted by Ms.Crowbar

Because they deserve it.
They're not innocent, like people who kill in self-defence are.
They don't feel guilty for what they did. No remorse whatsoever.
Cold-blooded killers who'd probably do it again if they were given the chance.

That just begs the question as to whether or not prison is actually a rehabilitating experience.

On a personal note, my brother is in prison (I'd rather not talk about why) and it (so far) has been rehabilitating for him in that he has the attitude that he will do almost anything to keep himself from going there again.

For the most part, in the U.S. anyways, people who go to prison tend to be in and out for their entire lives.

I think you're statement about their lack of remorse really indicates the lack of psychological therapy that's needed in prisons. According to the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) these gentlement fit under the category of "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" which are everything from your blatant sociopaths like Charles Manson to the Bill Gates of people. (Namely because Bill Gates didn't get to where he is at by feeling remorse for the people he stepped on to get there.)

People either want to make a change or they don't. For those that don't there's not really any point in releasing them, except for to jeopardize the safety of the community.

[Albert Mond]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Please; have we even talked about anything that didn't begin with your attacks towards your ignorance on anarchism?
You're just trying to agree with a sexist jerk who still believes in social darwinism because you can't possibly think of how to be social with me.

Social Darwinism's real. Helpmann's idea of it, however, is out of date and impractical.

[Eclipsing the Son]

There was a similar incident not too long ago where a punker was ran over by a jock. The defense won through the argument that the punker's lifestyle was dangerous and he was destined to die sooner than later. The jock could be quoted at the scene of the crime as saying "Hope that little punk didn't dent my car" and he drove away. Legit hit n run.

Nobody said anything about the jock's love for full contact sports as dangerous or life threatening and he got off scott free, graduated highschool and went on to go work at the local Longs Drug Store like the typical loser he is. Amen.