BBC Article-Goth church service for festival

[roserougesang]

This looks quite interesting...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/4914102.stm
Though I do admit in these BBC article they use the word 'goth' more times than necessary. It's practically a cliche now....oh well

[Morrigan_Dubh]

Originally Posted by roserougesang

This looks quite interesting...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/4914102.stm
Though I do admit in these BBC article they use the word 'goth' more times than necessary. It's practically a cliche now....oh well

Clichê, you say?

"The service will include a sermon by Rev Ramshaw on the topic of self-harm."

Fuck off, I say.

[Sobeh]

Originally Posted by Morrigan_Dubh

Clichê, you say?

"The service will include a sermon by Rev Ramshaw on the topic of self-harm."

Fuck off, I say.

This is a perfect example of a church actually putting together a service that has the symbolic power to touch a specific community, and then ruining it by packing along a bunch of assumptive shite and not actually trying to engage in a discourse with said specific community.

Rubbish.

[roserougesang]

I do admit the BBC has a habit of using stereotypes to try and prove their point. It's quite ridiculous because barely anybody really fits into the typical archetype of anything and using these makes the BBC look perfectly ridiculous. There's some quite funny things on the website anyways.

[darkmartin82]

Well I disagree, after reading the following thread,

https://www.gothic.net/boards/showthread.php?t=2386

it appars to me that self harm in the UK might be a bigger issue. Also the reference to goth is made to get people intrested, and it might fit the situation in the UK. Also goth is a more accepted group of people and mentioning them not per definition meant in a bad way.

Though the article seems to be more about atracting emo kids, it is an objective representation of the subject, the church mass. it portraits the goals and intentions of the initiative. It isn't bad journalism.

Good journalism does not give an opinion, it just reports.

side point, to label a person as part of a larger group is mostly not done, so you won't find many articles about "goth flaming church" or somthing like that. The negative stereotyping is less here in Holland, and in my opinion, the UK.

[Vorsuc]

Originally Posted by Morrigan_Dubh

Clichê, you say?

"The service will include a sermon by Rev Ramshaw on the topic of self-harm."

Fuck off, I say.

Odd, given that this past week also saw a study plastered over nearly every news carrier going about a study done into self-harm, showing the biggest indicator is identification as a "Goth", more so than coming from a broken home or even depression.

Cliche? perhaps, but certainly it shows that people who call themselves "Goth" (be they 'proper goths' or not) are going to get the most benefit from such a talk over any other group.

I say be thankful the bastards are at least recognising "Goths" and trying to be relevant, instead of insisting they are all Satanists who are going to burn in hell.

[darkmartin82]

Originally Posted by Vorsuc

I say be thankful the bastards are at least recognising "Goths" and trying to be relevant, instead of insisting they are all Satanists who are going to burn in hell.

As I said earlier, negative labeling is something that is not looked upon by journalists as something you do. They face concequences, by law or their bosses, if they do.