Hate Crimes

[Chazz]

My last topic was about the hate crime apedemic we are currently facing, don't think it is happening? Sophie lancaster was hit with a brick then kicked to death in a park because she was Goth, her boyfriend was almost killed but thankfully survived.. The story was not told as it shouldve been and their parents had to fight to get it on the news.

The gothic liberation front, Shadow Laurile Me and various others are trying to make hate crimes against Goths, Emos, Punks and anyone from the alternative subcultures illegal. In the past I have said I hate emos, no, I hate wanabees who self harm to look cool. You may think that me handing out these cards is a bad thing but you watch it will make a small difference, the more people who sign the petition and the more people who make a thing about this, the more that these terrible crimes will be taken seriously, I have been attacked in the street for the way I dress and they have been let away scott free because I dress the way I do.

You may wanna sit alone and cry and think that nothing else is happening around you, but there is, subcultures are at risk of being destroyed by murderers thugs chavs and anyone who does not like us.

Get it through your thick fucking skulls that something is happening and we need to do something about it.

[korinna5555]

The killer of Brian Deneke got off because the jury though he deserved being run over by a jock.
And.. you people were saying that hate crimes aren't a problem?

Go on.. shoo.. go Google Brian Deneke.




Edit: I'm also guessing me being shoved into a locker, having my clothes ripped, and being called horrid names were just figments of my imagination.

[Bella Sophia]

ooooh... ( That's not right..
You're right though, we can't just do nothing

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Chazz

The gothic liberation front

First of all, stop using that fucking idiotic name.
Liberation fronts are acephalic guerilla groups, not angsty teenagers passing aroung business cards that say nothing.

You may wanna sit alone and cry and think that nothing else is happening around you

Second, you're the one that's blind to this world. There's injustice, famine, racism, and corporatism, and the only problem you see is discrimination against a vain fashion?
Boy, I don't know if envying you for the ignorant cocoon you were raised, or pity you.

[Chazz]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

First of all, stop using that fucking idiotic name.
Liberation fronts are acephalic guerilla groups, not angsty teenagers passing aroung business cards that say nothing.
Second, you're the one that's blind to this world. There's injustice, famine, racism, and corporatism, and the only problem you see is discrimination against a vain fashion?
Boy, I don't know if envying you for the ignorant cocoon you were raised, or pity you.

I think you should sit down and think about this. How would you like it if someone killed your boy or girl friend right infront of you for being goth, if you do not wanna contribute to helping this appedemic then go fuck yourself ass hole.

[korinna5555]

It's discrimination against something different..
Discrimination is discrimination.
People need to change a lot of things, and the best way for change is though something local. He sees a problem in his community, and he is doing his best to fix that. How is that being blind?

[Godslayer Jillian]

A "Freaks for social change" or something similar would have a much greater impact, would have a more positive effect, and would have better causes.
See? It's not that hard, but you're too much of a short-sighted (probably due to over-masturbation) cunt.
And you go fuck yourself until you realize how much of an idiotic bitch you are, when you don't even know how to spell epidemic, and you think furthering an epidemic is something good!
Jesus fucking Christ, you're stupid.

[korinna5555]

How is the term "freak" positive?

[Apathy's_Child]

Dude. No-one is saying it's ok to discriminate against people based on the fact that they belong to an alternative subculture. But handing out cards to people is a dramatic, self-indulgent and utterly ineffective solution. Do you really think a card is gonna change the mindset of the kind of person who would "kill your girl or boy friend right in front of you for being goth"? What the hell are they FOR? If attacked, are you supposed to flash the card at your would-be killer while yelling, "stand back, I've got a Subcultures at Risk card!"?

Of course not. It's just another self-aggrandizing gesture from another self-important tool.

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by korinna5555

How is the term "freak" positive?

Ah, I wanted to ask the same thing... but I didn't want to get yelled at. >_>

[Godslayer Jillian]

You don't know much about the 60's, do you?
Would you prefer "goths/emo/punks/rivets/grunges for social change"?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Apathy's_Child

Of course not. It's just another self-aggrandizing gesture from another self-important tool.

Thank you!(yay, some hope)

[korinna5555]

My apologies you self-righteous son of a bitch..

So most people think of the 60's when they hear "freak"?

[Godslayer Jillian]

I'm not self-righteous. I'm just a smart person that's pissed off.
And actually, as part of a "freak" alternative culture, I do would hope that most of us knew the term "freak" was a positive term in the sixties for the hippies but not exclusive to them, similar to homosexuals defining themselves by the term "gay".

[Apathy's_Child]

Originally Posted by korinna5555

So most people think of the 60's when they hear "freak"?

I think of Missy Elliot...... but that's just me.

[korinna5555]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I do would hope that most of us knew the term "freak" was a positive term in the sixties for the hippies

But not the average person..

[Godslayer Jillian]

The average person does not know anything about punks/emos/goths, ad nauseum.
Wasn't this whole joke about trying to make them understand and tolerate?
How is defending something that they don't understand any different than community participation under a banner they don't understand? (except for the much better productivity of the latter)

[Bella Sophia]

I have an idea. Why not try to educate people about our subculture?

[Lolly PopMuzik]

Originally Posted by Chazz

Blah blah blah I'm a self righteous, self important tit who's stupid enough to believe that a predominantly white musical subculture needs protection You're so mean I hate you I need to feel oppressed and have someone to blame it on

SHUT UP.

YOU ARE NOT A CRUSADER. YOU ARE A PRETENTIOUS, MISGUIDED, PRIVILEGED CHILD.

SHUT UP RIGHT NOW.

I really hope you're not older than 13/14 because if so, I really do pity you.

Originally Posted by Bella Sophia

I have an idea. Why not try to educate people about our subculture?

That's a tricky one because it's kind of a "You get it or you don't" deal. And frankly, some people just don't care.

ETA: And why the hell is this kid whining about goths/emos that we all know he despises when he's metal? *waits for a reply involving scene unity or other pretentious bullshit that's sure to come*

[korinna5555]

Originally Posted by Bella Sophia

I have an idea. Why not try to educate people about our subculture?

Well, I was going to point out that the whole purpose of these cards were to start conversation and to educate, but Jillian would probably argue with that too.

[Bella Sophia]

I know... it saddens me that people don't care. I just wish there was more that I could do instead of just explaining it to person to person.

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by korinna5555

Well, I was going to point out that the whole purpose of these cards were to start conversation and to educate, but Jillian would probably argue with that too.

Ah, I"m glad you were thinking it too

[Lolly PopMuzik]

Originally Posted by Bella Sophia

I know... it saddens me that people don't care. I just wish there was more that I could do instead of just explaining it to person to person.

Well, you're the one who headed into the seksi deth chix camp and YOU'RE the one who is sticking for a while so it's kind of an understanding that some people just don't want to take it with them.

When that saddens you, that means you're taking it WAY too seriously. Just ease up on it and leave the serious business to the velvety mopey "My outfit needs at least one cravat/two types of lace on it!" types.

Think of it this way: More music and *insert cliched goth symbol on your favorite piece of jewelry* for you.

[Apathy's_Child]

Originally Posted by korinna5555

Well, I was going to point out that the whole purpose of these cards were to start conversation and to educate, but Jillian would probably argue with that too.

No, because the cards aren't intended to initiate dialogue with non-goths, they're to be given only to goth, punk or emo lookin' people.

Spin again.

[Bella Sophia]

Originally Posted by Lolly PopMuzik

Well, you're the one who headed into the seksi deth chix camp and YOU'RE the one who is sticking for a while so it's kind of an understanding that some people just don't want to take it with them.

When that saddens you, that means you're taking it WAY too seriously. Just ease up on it and leave the serious business to the velvety mopey "My outfit needs at least one cravat/two types of lace on it!" types.

Think of it this way: More music and *insert cliched goth symbol on your favorite piece of jewelry* for you.

Well, if I'm taking it too seriously, I guess I could ease up a little