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03-24-2009, 10:44 PM
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19 and my mum thinks im evil and she wants the preist to talk to me
im not i am just dressing in black change my music i like and friends (goths) and she thinks im evil.
i really want to buy my boyfriend this fantastic unusal strange upside down cross, but she will freak, but he dont beloeve in god so the cross does not mean anything should i be backing down to her moaning at 19 years old???
the gift i wanna buy my boyfriend for 20th , ots totally cool
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UPSIDEDOWN-BIG...742.m153.l1262
what do you think
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03-24-2009, 10:53 PM
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If it doesn't mean anything to him how is it a good gift?
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03-24-2009, 11:49 PM
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Why does your mother even need to know what you buy for your boyfriend?
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03-25-2009, 12:38 AM
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fantastic unusal strange upside down cross
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It's not really all that fantastic or strange to be honest...
It's the cross that St. Peter was crucified upon at his own request. He requested the difference of being crucified because he felt unworthy of dying the same way Christ did. So he was turned upside and died on an upside down cross.
At least that's where the symbol first came from, St. Peter dying on an inverted Latin Cross. It's since been used for various other reasons, but that's more around the roots of it.
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03-25-2009, 12:51 AM
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Darkhell, I think you're in the wrong place. Try the Hot Topic messageboard, I'm sure they'll be more helpful.
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03-25-2009, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr E Nigma
It's not really all that fantastic or strange to be honest...
It's the cross that St. Peter was crucified upon at his own request. He requested the difference of being crucified because he felt unworthy of dying the same way Christ did. So he was turned upside and died on an upside down cross.
At least that's where the symbol first came from, St. Peter dying on an inverted Latin Cross. It's since been used for various other reasons, but that's more around the roots of it.
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Hmm wow, I never knew that, and I'm a Catholic. Well nomatter what you believe in, there is always somthing new to learn.
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03-25-2009, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Renatus
Hmm wow, I never knew that, and I'm a Catholic. Well nomatter what you believe in, there is always somthing new to learn.
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True Story. You know... funny thing, I'm not Catholic or Christian at all for that matter, but I think that I've found I've read the bible more than most who follow the religion. And I read it because of that very reason, I enjoy learning about as much things as I can interest myself in.
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03-25-2009, 04:09 AM
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Perhaps it wasn't the 'St. Peter's cross' idea that upset your mother's fragile Christian sensibilities so much as the title of 'OCCULT SATANIST GOTH DEVIL'.
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03-25-2009, 05:31 AM
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It's okay, I guess; the cross itself doesn't look all that dark and depressing.
I would suggest that, since you're 19, that you move out on your own. That way, you won't have to worry so much about what your parents say about your personal life.
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03-25-2009, 05:46 AM
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Hmm wow, I never knew that, and I'm a Catholic. Well nomatter what you believe in, there is always somthing new to learn.
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You didn't know that? It was in last Sunday's readings, shit, my catholic-ness is showing...
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03-25-2009, 06:38 AM
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St. Andrew was (supposedly) crucified on an X shaped cross, like those you might encounter in an S&M setting.
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03-25-2009, 07:07 AM
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Hmm wow, I never knew that, and I'm a Catholic. Well nomatter what you believe in, there is always somthing new to learn.
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Even I knew that .. =/
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03-25-2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by isobel black
St. Andrew was (supposedly) crucified on an X shaped cross, like those you might encounter in an S&M setting.
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03-25-2009, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by darkhell
im not i am just dressing in black change my music i like and friends (goths) and she thinks im evil.
i really want to buy my boyfriend this fantastic unusal strange upside down cross, but she will freak, but he dont beloeve in god so the cross does not mean anything should i be backing down to her moaning at 19 years old???
the gift i wanna buy my boyfriend for 20th , ots totally cool
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UPSIDEDOWN-BIG...742.m153.l1262
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I should buy that stupid little thing just to spite you.
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03-25-2009, 01:05 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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If you are still under her roof, then she should have at least a say in it.
If you don't then why bother listening??
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03-25-2009, 01:09 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: In Your Pants, PA.
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Originally Posted by darkhell
im not i am just dressing in black change my music i like and friends (goths) and she thinks im evil.
i really want to buy my boyfriend this fantastic unusal strange upside down cross, but she will freak, but he dont beloeve in god so the cross does not mean anything should i be backing down to her moaning at 19 years old???
the gift i wanna buy my boyfriend for 20th , ots totally cool
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UPSIDEDOWN-BIG...742.m153.l1262
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Why does your mommy have to know what you are getting him? Are you using her money for it or something?
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03-25-2009, 06:28 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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That cross, god, it's not even that weird, it's too plain to even find it's way onto the lowliest of black-metallers.
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03-25-2009, 09:23 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
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Tell her the cross is actually St. Peter's cross and thus doesn't represent anything evil. Really, it doesn't.
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03-25-2009, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by isobel black
St. Andrew was (supposedly) crucified on an X shaped cross, like those you might encounter in an S&M setting.
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Yeah I know about St. Andrew's cross, and the Eastern Orthedox cross, but I was under the original assumption like Dark here, that the inverted cross represented satan and all that evil stuff.
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"Never overestimate the intellect of someone so foolish that they would exploit and perpetuate stupidity in the people around them, for they create their own damnation as they tear out and sell the pillars that support society as a whole, bringing it crashing down upon them."-me
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”- Einstein
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03-25-2009, 09:59 PM
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Usually when a symbol is inverted it represents the opposite of the symbol, hence why people think that the inverted cross represents the antichrist, if, however, there is already something symbolized by the inversion then that supersedes any inverted meaning.
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03-26-2009, 01:19 AM
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19 and my mum thinks im evil and she wants the preist to talk to me
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Ah, but the most important thing is to ask if the priest wants to talk to someone who is evil, right? Or preist, as you put it.
He shouldn't be forced to do so if he doesn't want to. We must be civilized about this.
By the by, does your father think you're undead?
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03-26-2009, 04:23 AM
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your mother seems to be to involved with your life, do what you want.
you're probably not evil.
why does she care what you buy for your boyfriend? unless like if you killed something and gave it to him. (it does happen, this guy gave his girlfriend a dead bird, she liked it though so I guess it's ok)
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03-26-2009, 10:01 AM
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Good phrase.
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03-27-2009, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Solumina
Usually when a symbol is inverted it represents the opposite of the symbol, hence why people think that the inverted cross represents the antichrist, if, however, there is already something symbolized by the inversion then that supersedes any inverted meaning.
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What about the inverted pentagram? I always thought that the meaning behind that was that in the pagan pentagram, the top point represented the spirit and that satanists turned it upside down to represent the lack of care for their souls' well-being.
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03-27-2009, 09:00 AM
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Go talk to a priest and be very nice and respectful. Dont be rude, opinionated, or act in any way abnormal. In other words, be plastic. Then when youre given the okay by the priest, your mum will relax.
And what is it with people and wearing bloody symbols that they know are going to get a reaction from? If your worried about it being offensive and dont believe in what it represents,then dont wear it!
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