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09-02-2010, 09:44 AM
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"People who need people are the luckiest people in the world." - So sang Barbra.
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09-02-2010, 09:45 AM
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#177
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Originally Posted by LaBelleDameSansMerci
The problem with people is religion.
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Fixed that for ya.
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09-02-2010, 10:12 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Well, it's kind a cycle, though. People create religion to fulfil some need (like finding a "higher purpose," or because they want power) and sometimes with good intentions, and then other people get a hold of it and twist it into some horrible mass and use it to justify things the religion itself discourages/forbids.
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How I wonder where you're at.
Up above the world you fly
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09-02-2010, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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It all comes down to the vice we call faith. People hold beliefs without any evidence or reason, and make bad decisions based on them. Decisions that adversely affect other people much of the time.
Most religion is based upon faith.
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The Beginner's Quick Guide to Goth: 1 2 3 4 5
"Now some of you may encounter the devil's bargain if you get that far. Any old soul is worth saving at least to a priest, but not every soul is worth buying. So you can take the offer as a compliment."
-William S. Burroughs
You're not entitled to your opinion.
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09-02-2010, 04:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bliss
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LaBelleDameSansMerci
Well, it's kind a cycle, though. People create religion to fulfil some need (like finding a "higher purpose," or because they want power) and sometimes with good intentions, and then other people get a hold of it and twist it into some horrible mass and use it to justify things the religion itself discourages/forbids.
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Believing in a higher power could be an excellent way for a person to discover who they really are as an individual, because they can identify through a third party entity; instead of, getting wrapped up in other people's dreams or evaluate inadequacies as anything besides fate or a higher powers will to give them a personal gift of knowledge.
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09-02-2010, 05:26 PM
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#181
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Eat .. Love .. pray =)
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09-02-2010, 06:37 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tears
Eat .. Love .. pray =)
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What a fucking waste of a third of your time.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly
You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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real classy
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09-03-2010, 03:47 AM
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#183
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LaBelleDameSansMerci
Well, it's kind a cycle, though. People create religion to fulfil some need (like finding a "higher purpose," or because they want power) ...
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Or, based on evidence like the occurrence of cargo cults, it seems that humans have a built-in subconscious compulsion to invent a higher power or deity to explain that which they cannot understand.
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Lead me not into temptation ... follow me, I know a shortcut!
As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
the rolling in money,
the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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09-05-2010, 10:27 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Scientists actually even think that isolated what part of the brain that religious experiences come from. A psychologist has even created what he calls the "god helmet" that makes you feel as though you are in the presence of a being, sometimes a higher power, and sometimes people think they are in the presence of God. If I remember correctly it is in the temporal lobe.
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09-06-2010, 04:14 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: In your trash can
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Solumina
Scientists actually even think that isolated what part of the brain that religious experiences come from. A psychologist has even created what he calls the "god helmet" that makes you feel as though you are in the presence of a being, sometimes a higher power, and sometimes people think they are in the presence of God. If I remember correctly it is in the temporal lobe.
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People around me don't need this helmet, they already know they are in the presence of greatness.
Lots of love,
hope to see you soon
Lucifer.
xxoo
PS bring your bathers, it's pretty toasty down here.
*Yo yo gabba made me write this.*
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09-06-2010, 04:35 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
What a fucking waste of a third of your time.
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????? what ????!! XS
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09-06-2010, 08:29 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
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Originally Posted by Cruel Intentions
Right......
Who was it? Billy Joel, of all people, I believe:
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun."
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That lyric fucking sucks.
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09-07-2010, 06:41 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Yeah, but the whole part about trying to get into a Catholic girl's pants is nostalgically entertaining.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solumina
Scientists actually even think that isolated what part of the brain that religious experiences come from. A psychologist has even created what he calls the "god helmet" that makes you feel as though you are in the presence of a being, sometimes a higher power, and sometimes people think they are in the presence of God. If I remember correctly it is in the temporal lobe.
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Yes, that scientist and the "god helmet" were featured on The Science Channel program "Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman" in the first episode:
Through The Wormhole - episode 1 (Is There a Creator?) pt 3
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Lead me not into temptation ... follow me, I know a shortcut!
As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
the rolling in money,
the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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09-07-2010, 07:00 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Osaka, Japan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tears
????? what ????!! XS
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*psst*: When you pray, nobody hears you.
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The Beginner's Quick Guide to Goth: 1 2 3 4 5
"Now some of you may encounter the devil's bargain if you get that far. Any old soul is worth saving at least to a priest, but not every soul is worth buying. So you can take the offer as a compliment."
-William S. Burroughs
You're not entitled to your opinion.
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09-07-2010, 02:19 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Actually, since a recent scientific study debunked the notion that hundreds of people praying will help one who is ill, you have two choices.
You can believe that when you pray, nobody hears you.
Or, you can believe that someone does hear you but chooses to ignore you.
So, it's still a waste of time.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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Lead me not into temptation ... follow me, I know a shortcut!
As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
the rolling in money,
the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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09-07-2010, 02:56 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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A similar study asked another group to masturbate in the name of sick people and lo and behold, their group saw more improvements than the control group and the prayer group!
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Originally Posted by KissMeDeadly
You fucking people [war veterans] are only a step below entitled rich kids, the only difference being you had to do and witness horrible things, instead of being given everything.
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real classy
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09-07-2010, 05:24 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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A similar study asked another group to masturbate in the name of sick people and lo and behold, their group saw more improvements than the control group and the prayer group!
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That sounds familiar.
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Originally Posted by viscus
*psst*: When you pray, nobody hears you.
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Oh come on.
Don't be THAT Atheist guy.
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09-11-2010, 09:15 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by viscus
*psst*: When you pray, nobody hears you.
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god hears us as Sinjob said ..
there is a god
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09-11-2010, 10:33 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Why do we exist? I'm willing, for one, to answer this question directly. I believe that we exist, like the rest of creation, to glorify God. However, as you all well know I cannot provide evidence to support this belief. Nevertheless, instead of pursuing the same, tired arguments about whether religion is true or not here, let's have some more serious, direct answers to this important question. The implications of the answer to this particular question are great. If you don't believe in God, fine. Why do you think that we exist?
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09-11-2010, 10:57 AM
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#195
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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What if there isn't a why?
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Lead me not into temptation ... follow me, I know a shortcut!
As the poets have mournfully sung,
death takes the innocent young,
the rolling in money,
the screamingly funny,
and those who are very well hung.
Your days are numbered - 26,280 per person on average - 2,000,000,000 heartbeats ... tick, tick, tick
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09-11-2010, 11:21 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Harlem
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Originally Posted by TheFeatheredÆtheling
Why do we exist? I'm willing, for one, to answer this question directly. I believe that we exist, like the rest of creation, to glorify God. However, as you all well know I cannot provide evidence to support this belief. Nevertheless, instead of pursuing the same, tired arguments about whether religion is true or not here, let's have some more serious, direct answers to this important question. The implications of the answer to this particular question are great. If you don't believe in God, fine. Why do you think that we exist?
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We don't need a cosmic reason to exist. We don't need a higher purpose and really, it doesn't require us to be THAT important in the universe in order for us to exist. We are simply here.
A better question to ask is WHY is it important to put a needless value on our existence? Why is it necessary to our survival as a random act of life on this planet to have a higher purpose? Being what we are, humans, declare that nothing else in this universe is more important than our own species. We hold ourselves to be more cosmically important because it ensures the survival of our species. We don't need a god to give us the reason for holding ourselves as the most important thing in existence. I think the idea of god existing in any flavor is just a cultural add-on to our superiority complex over creation because that's an easier idea to embrace than us just randomly being the best beings in existence as we know it because that's just what randomly happened.
Besides, the religious can't glorify any god because we're incapable of being able to know something like a god. We can only glorify our ideas.
Gods are not exactly the best answer and measurably the least likely correct answer to our existence.
As far as the idea of a god, it's a much simpler and provable statement to say there is no god. If there ever came a time when we could prove a god to be measurably and factually real, then we would come to a point of trying to figure out which god it actually is. In the event that that would happen, what do you think the odds of if being an Abrahamic god or any conceived derivative of that idea of god be the one true god?
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09-11-2010, 11:21 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
What if there isn't a why?
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I believe that there is a "why" so I don't know, but I wonder what the world would look like if there literally was no reason or purpose for life.
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09-11-2010, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben Lahnger
What if there isn't a why?
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I don't think there's a reason other than we just happen to be here. That's a-okay for me.
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09-11-2010, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFeatheredÆtheling
I believe that there is a "why" so I don't know, but I wonder what the world would look like if there literally was no reason or purpose for life.
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Do you plan on answering my questions?
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09-11-2010, 11:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Why does a god need glorifying?
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