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[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

Anyone dumb enough to eat fast food deserves what that guy got in the "Supersize Me" movie.

Well, I agree, however he did so to prove a point.

Anyone with half a braincell knows fast food is generally bad for you.

Yes, but so is smoking. Do we let children smoke cigarettes? We do however allow their parents to feed them a 'happy meal' a dozen times a week and no one says a word.

And working at resorts with retuarants and working in the exquipment industry I know that many of the ingredients used by food chains are local. It saves money, time and shipping costs.

Really? McDonalds, Burger King, etc. have processing plants for all of their ketchup in every state? They produce it there, package it there, and sell it there? Same with napkins? Their take-away bags? Straws? All their meat comes from local farms they can trace back to the farmer?

I find that hard to believe, especially since they have information contridicting that printed on the vairous labels.

We live in a free democratic society and no one should force people to eat certain foods by taxing the crap out of other foods.

But yet you let alcohol, cigarettes, gas, luxury items and other products be taxed because why?

If you really want to change the way people eat it starts at home when you raise the child.

Tell that to a single mother with three kids who makes minimum wage and has to feed those three kids every night. She can:

A. Buy 3 happy meals for what? $8?

OR

B. After working all day, coming home to clean house, take care of errands cook a meal over the course of the next 2-3 hours, then clean up in time before she has to putr the kids to bed.

Which is easier on the wallet? Which gives the parent more (much needed) time to themselves?

Guess which one most American families go for?

By letting the industry run without regulation, you allow it to set the standard for meals. By not taxing or regulating it, you say the food is healthy, when in reality as we see in 'supersize me' and current statistics that this is not the case. Americans choose like anyone else to save time and money, however they do so at the risk of their own health. Problem is fast food is a billion dollar industry with high priced lobbyists who fight to make sure they are nto viewed as such.

Stop trying to blame Mcdeaths and others for selling a product people want to buy... remember the whole "Freedom of choice thing".

People like to buy heroin too. Doesn't mean you need to give it to your kids in the name of 'freedom'

Speaking of freedom, as I said, for many families fast food is NOT a choice - it is the only affordable option. It's fast food, or nothing.

As I said, taxes and laws here regulate it - which means yes it's higher, but it puts it on par with normal meals. A hamburger at McDonalds is only a few cent cheaper than a hamburger at a local pub here. You could buy a kilo of meat, chips, soda, and all the condiments and make the same meal at your own home for cheaper than you can buy it at McDonalds - something you can't say in the states.

This doesn't mean we are any less free. Just means we have more options when it comes to eating healthy.

Try eating healthy in America - ever check how much 'healthy', 'organic', or 'natural' items run you there? In reality, the average American family cannot afford to eat healthy. It has nothing to do with how they are raised and everything to do with their social status.

By allowing multi-national corporations to set the standards, and price, for your peoples health you let them lay out the options which everyone has to choose from.

Who would you like calling the shots on your health? A well trained doctor/scientist with years of history and research on the subject who was appointed by an elected body OR a guy on a board of directors who main goal is to sell their product, and make the companies stock rise by any means necessary?

So tell me, in reality, who is more free?

[DarkHeartedDemoness]

http://vitalvotes.com/blogs/public_b...ucts-8743.aspx

[DarkHeartedDemoness]

Not that that^ proves anything, I just thought it was interesting and worth sharing in this thread.

[ArtificialOne]

Oh yes.. typical leftist drivel.. tell it to the single mothers blah blah blah..

Well, I do have a kid and I'll tell you something... a pack of lunch meat and a loaf of bread is about 5 dollars or so.. a happymeal is around the same price... so I can get about a weeks worth of Lunches out of those two simple items... and save my 5 dollars a day I would pay for a happy meal..? Anything to say about that stern... oh wait you don't have kids..

And local ingredients... yeah.... as I said.. I've seen where the produce and meat comes from because of my jobs.. once again, first hand knowledge... I don't care what a website says.. I've seen the packaging at local distributors and been to the contractors.. oh wait.. you prolly know nothing about contracting out manufacturing or sourcing local items to save cost.. Who cares if they get a ketchup packet from cali instead of Pa.. They still use many local ingredients

OK, and people only think they can't afford to buy healthy and eat healthy because they are to lazy to search and buy the good food themselves.. as my example qouted earlier. Also.. who cares if it's organic... we didn't evolve are ag over thousands of years to go back to plowing with horses and spraying tomatoes with vinegar to keep the worms off..

Lets see another example.. I just bought bannanas at .69cents a pound.... How much do you pay stern? and isn't a candybar .65 to .75 cents....? Compared to a pound of fruit that I can eat for breakfast all week? Oh wait.. yopu expect poor people to pay 5 dollars for a Mcgriddle at mcdeaths.....

Your argument is a leftist blame it on anyone but themselves mentality.

You are rejected.

Good food is not expensive, peoples laziness is.

And Mcdeaths is bad.. but not as bad as heroine, so stop trying that senseless "the worlds evil" crap on me.. Some things are not as bad as others, so just get over it and try not to use a "sky is falling" mentallity on everything. That's such a childish point to take in a debate.

And yes, you are taking a ridiculous point by comparing Mcdonalds to Heroine. Last I've seen, I haven't seen anyone laying in the gutter of a Bigmac overdose...

Once again.. the socialist view of "blame it on business and govt" becuase people are either too stupid or are forced to make bad decisions. I am not going to be penalised becuase someone is lazy, ignorant and wasn't raised right. No apologies..

[Binkie]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

Last I've seen, I haven't seen anyone laying in the gutter of a Bigmac overdose...

Yeah but what about that crazy guy in the alley-way having a "Big Mac Attack?" ;)

[ArtificialOne]

lol damn construction workers....

[MollyMac]

Bastards stole my Big mac when I was unconscious from the smack.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

Oh yes.. typical leftist drivel.. tell it to the single mothers blah blah blah..

Well, I do have a kid and I'll tell you something... a pack of lunch meat and a loaf of bread is about 5 dollars or so.. a happymeal is around the same price... so I can get about a weeks worth of Lunches out of those two simple items... and save my 5 dollars a day I would pay for a happy meal..? Anything to say about that stern... oh wait you don't have kids..

So your saying once again its the fault of all single mothers - and that they should feed their kids bologna every day for the rest of their lives, because thats healthy? Reminds me of when reagan tried to get ketchup classfied as a vegetable so they could eliminate one item from school lunches and save a few million.

Also, who says I don't have kids?

And local ingredients... yeah.... as I said.. I've seen where the produce and meat comes from because of my jobs.. once again, first hand knowledge... I don't care what a website says.. I've seen the packaging at local distributors and been to the contractors.. oh wait.. you prolly know nothing about contracting out manufacturing or sourcing local items to save cost.. Who cares if they get a ketchup packet from cali instead of Pa.. They still use many local ingredients

How many cattle ranches do they have in Maine or Alaska? How many tomato farms are in Washington State? I didn't know they had timber farms in Hawaii? Even though they claim 'Iowa potatoes' and 100% beef from various states in their commercials, on their packages, and on their website you still are going to argue every state produces the ingredients that are found in each McDonalds item?

We have a national system here where ALL food items can be traced back to the farm they cam from. When you go into a McDonalds, Burger King, or other restaurant, beside their various licenses for operation they have a list of which farms in the county their items come from and the person who runs that farm. One would think, if you weren't full of it, they would have a similar system in the states if what you say (even though its contradicted by the company) was true.

OK, and people only think they can't afford to buy healthy and eat healthy because they are to lazy to search and buy the good food themselves.. as my example quoted earlier. Also.. who cares if it's organic... we didn't evolve are ag over thousands of years to go back to plowing with horses and spraying tomatoes with vinegar to keep the worms off..

So your telling us once again why people don't eat healthy. Your argument is American's aren't forced to eat cheap crap because its cheap, they eat it because they are lazy. Is this what your saying?

Lets see another example.. I just bought bannanas at .69cents a pound.... How much do you pay stern? and isn't a candybar .65 to .75 cents....? Compared to a pound of fruit that I can eat for breakfast all week? Oh wait.. yopu expect poor people to pay 5 dollars for a Mcgriddle at mcdeaths.....

How many people eat fruit for breakfast? In fact, how many people eat breakfast? I'd say a hell of a lot less than those who eat lunch and dinner.

Also, the average cost of a breakfast is never close to a dinner. Try taking out anyone to an average breakfast anywhere in the world and compare it to a dinner. Trying to argue fast food breakfast is more expensive than a bannana and trying to prove that fast food is not as expensive as buying normal food and using that as a comparison, a breakfast of one piece of fruit is a very, very poor example.

If Americans ate once a day and that meal was breakfast, you would be right, but we all know thats not the case.

Your argument is a leftist blame it on anyone but themselves mentality.

You are rejected.

Good food is not expensive, peoples laziness is.

So once again, your calling Americans lazy and fat and blaming their weight issues on the fact Americans are inherently to lazy to buy bananas, because if a single mom would just buy a few bananas each week, the obesity problem in America could be eliminated.

And Mcdeaths is bad.. but not as bad as heroine, so stop trying that senseless "the worlds evil" crap on me.. Some things are not as bad as others, so just get over it and try not to use a "sky is falling" mentallity on everything. That's such a childish point to take in a debate.

And yes, you are taking a ridiculous point by comparing Mcdonalds to Heroine. Last I've seen, I haven't seen anyone laying in the gutter of a Bigmac overdose...

No, this is not which is worse, you said and I quote...

Stop trying to blame Mcdeaths and others for selling a product people want to buy... remember the whole "Freedom of choice thing".

I merely pointed out that heroin is a hot commodity, along with meth, oxycontin, and other narcotics. Does that mean if the government bans them or regulates them you are any less 'free', because your allegation is that having the government regulate an item that can cause damage to your health somehow takes away your freedom. Thats what you said.

Of course you don't feel the same way about other items that are regulated by the government, but offer no suggestions as to why that is.

I don't see you raising a banner trying to fight the regulation of alcohol or cigarettes, both items sold legally that damage health that the U.S. government regulates.

Once again.. the socialist view of "blame it on business and govt" becuase people are either too stupid or are forced to make bad decisions. I am not going to be penalised becuase someone is lazy, ignorant and wasn't raised right. No apologies..

Heh, 'no apologises'. Here is whats ironic about your argument that its the fault of poor Americans who 'werent raised right' - over what was it? 85% of American's are OBESE. This means 85% by your arguments 'werent raised right'.

At the end of the day, these lazy, stupid people, who weren't raised right, are a majority of the people from America. Your arguement is American's, as a rule are lazy, stupid, and weren't raised right, which is why they are obese.

I didn't say that, or use those words - I am quoting what you are saying about your own countrymen.

This is the most ironic part. In Europe, Scandanavia, Australia, etc. - the one thing we have in common that America lacks is a sense of community, even with those outside of out community. The same sense which American's had for a fleeting moment after 9/11, when they came together to help out others, we share daily.

Only in America do you have a country where people would sell out their own country men, blame them, call them stupid and lazy and say that they need to be raised better and quit complaining about large corporations that force feed them their products.

Thats really the issue I take with most Americans - they will sell out their neighbor at the drop of a hat, and have no compassion for the people that live on the same street as themselves, much less a person who lives in another part of their own country, never even taking a second to think that another person in their own country might be living a totally different lifestyle due to economic conditions, or the choices they were given at birth.

This saddens me.

[ArtificialOne]

Yes, stern.. typical leftist spin everything around to make you wrong... sounds like I'm arguing with a teenager...

You can not use my own information and try to turn it around stern. You will not have me try and run circles and repeat myself. I will stay silent and you will continue to look like an idiot.

Your points are not valid stern.

As I stated in other posts. Polls are polls and statistics are statistics...
To go by polls alone without being in the field is unintellgent. Read how the polls were done, who did them, when, where and how.

Your bias is amazing. Your argument is mute.
Your ignorance and stupidity anger me.

God help us all if you are actually living in America right now.

[Binkie]

85%... heh. Those figures are so ridiculous it's funny. He literally manufactures this information on his own. You're being "fought" with total and completely utter bullshit, Art.

He's a shameless little troll who knows his ship has sunk long ago, but he's still spinning his rotor - which of course is helping push him further and further to the bottom.

[ArtificialOne]

Great analogy binkie!

And it does really seem like I'm arguing with an angry teen... I'll have to think about it.. but it is becoming aparent I might need to ignore him.
His only one goal is to upset people and spread propaganda. It would be nice to have an intelligent debate.. But he likes to chase his own tail.

[mrs.wes straker]

85 % of Americans are obese? We are not! I work in a building with hundreds of people and have only seen about three who need 3 three chairs all to themselves. No, but seriously, don't be mean to Stern! He seems like a nice enough guy....

[raggedyanne]

Have you READ the whole thread?! I agree, Sternn does seem mildly intelligent and does have a nack for research; but his insistance to prove that he has no social skills works too well. Check at some of his recent posts, the information contradicts itself.

[raggedyanne]

Thought you'd like this:

Anybody intelligent enough to realize what America is, is not going to sit around and do nothing about it. They're going to be the same way that I am. They're going to be the same way our fans are. They're going to be pissed.”

Marilyn Manson

[mrs.wes straker]

Originally Posted by raggedyanne

Thought you'd like this:

Anybody intelligent enough to realize what America is, is not going to sit around and do nothing about it. They're going to be the same way that I am. They're going to be the same way our fans are. They're going to be pissed.”

Marilyn Manson

Shut up Marilyn :-)

[raggedyanne]

lol, thanks, it was random and fit

[ArtificialOne]

America is not as bad as the media and the movies play it out to be.
Alarmism sells. <period>

That being said. Without a watchful eye things do go astray.
Marilyn M. Prolly said that during the Clinton Admin. That's when he was most popular.

Someone once spoke on the collective memory wipe people get after several years. This explains why people thought clinton was so good, And forget all the problems in the past. Especially this global warming thing. Reread through history and every decade has had some huge alarmist topic that never seems to come. Chicken little anyone?

Every decade, every pres admin, there are people who think everythings messed up. And to be honest... it hasn't fallen apart yet.

[CptSternn]

Originally Posted by ArtificialOne

Yes, stern.. typical leftist spin everything around to make you wrong... sounds like I'm arguing with a teenager...

You can not use my own information and try to turn it around stern. You will not have me try and run circles and repeat myself. I will stay silent and you will continue to look like an idiot.

Your points are not valid stern.

Your the one who attacked the less fortunate and said, and i quote, 'they werent raised right', which is what lead to their bad food habits, which is, in your words, the direct cause of obese people. Forget mass advertising, lack of over-sight, and total lack of any type of regulation - its the poor peoples fault.

This, like I said, bothers me. You were in the Navy. You have said in previous posts that you joined to help your country, to help the people of your country.

This is not a personal statement directed at you alone, but why is it then when those who join military service (or police forces) to 'protect' and 'help'' people in their country think that helping those around them is only limited to killing people they don't like?

Is it not helping out a single mother, even if it's by donation a small 2% of your wages to a fund that helps other citizens in the same nation you claim to love to much to die for?

Why is it charity from people who claim to be die-hard patriots begins and ends with violence only, and the welfare of their own countrymen is ignored in masse?

So many 'flag wavers' in this thread, but yet so few actually giving, and doing, what it actually takes to really help people.

[dark_dragon_of_ice]

Why are people so mean to stern? I think he brings up some good points.

[Vako]

I my case, because he is against my country.

[dark_dragon_of_ice]

This needs a group hug =p
(I cant beileve I said it)

[mrs.wes straker]

Originally Posted by Vako

I my case, because he is against my country.

Ya, that's not too cool. America is great and there are a lot of great people here. Sure it's a democracy, but let's be realistic. We don't really have too much control over what our government does. Our voting, protesting, kicking and screaming hasn't stopped the Bush admin from doing what they want. But they have apologized. (Big whoop). Sternn you make good contributions and such so I personally don't have a problem w/ you, but America has be taken good w/ the bad, like any other place. You know?

[republigoth]

Originally Posted by CptSternn

Is it not helping out a single mother, even if it's by donation a small 2% of your wages to a fund that helps other citizens in the same nation you claim to love to much to die for?

Well we consumerist republicans are doing great then! I donate my ENTIRE income to the less well-to-do by purchasing goods and services that create jobs that allow them to feed their poor starving children. Yay for me. I should get an award for contributions to socialism.

Oh, wait, you mean 'helping and contributing' in a socialist fashion only counts if it's ineffective and of microscopic scale? Dang. Guess this evil heartless killing machine of a republican will have to go back to making my donations in a way that creates an entire richer system instead of one richer individual. I'm such a monster. We should all build a collective and force those single mothers to starve through the collective's limp impotence.

Originally Posted by CptSternn

This is not a personal statement directed at you alone, but why is it then when those who join military service (or police forces) to 'protect' and 'help'' people in their country think that helping those around them is only limited to killing people they don't like?

Hm. Don't know. I'll have to ask my fellow soldiers why they exist only to kill people they don't like as we hand out water bottles and build schools in Iraq. Yep, up at Fort Lewis it's just like a scene out of Lord of the Rings, with a bunch of dirty orcs running around grunting and biting at each other.

Nevermind that the average education level of the average army recruit is 25% higher than the national average, the average household income is the same, and theirs a lot more job descriptions available than 'shoot stuff with guns and poke stuff with sticks' We cover everything from accounting specialist to radiology specialist to tuba player.

Weird, how your characterization of your opponent comes off sounding like some lame North Korean war propaganda. Hehe, us republicans all demonic-faced and salivating blood through our wickedly pointed teeth and heartless crocodile-like jaws. I kindda like it It's stupid and wildly inaccurate and makes you look like a fool, but it's amusing.

That was fantastic btw, AO, when someone quoted Manson as anti-u.s and you were like "yeah, but he said that during the Clinton administration." Ha! Brightened my whole day

[Vako]

Originally Posted by mrs.wes straker

but America has be taken good w/ the bad, like any other place. You know?

My thoughts exactly...

[raggedyanne]

Hey, I donated ALL my old stuffed animals to the salvation army. Also, you'd be surprised to know how many americans volunteer or donate to charity to better their fellow countrymen. You're really quite intelligent, but generalizing makes people view your posts in a negative light