Abiogenesis

[Onetwothree]

I've been reading more and more about this lately, and I'm startled with what I am found with. Yet again, I was tricked by Christian propaganda to believe that the theory of abiogenesis had no evidence, or at least, wasn't a cogent theory for the origin of life. I was very wrong. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

[Drake Dun]

Well, there is at least some evidence that it's possible. The Urey-Miller experiments come to mind. You probably already know about those, but this link might be of use to somebody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

It's also easy to get abiogenesis of pretty interesting e-life out of extremely simple systems. Check out Conway's Game of Life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life

Drake

[Onetwothree]

Originally Posted by Drake Dun

Well, there is at least some evidence that it's possible. The Urey-Miller experiments come to mind. You probably already know about those, but this link might be of use to somebody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

It's also easy to get abiogenesis of pretty interesting e-life out of extremely simple systems. Check out Conway's Game of Life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life

Drake

Have you looked at talk.origins stuff on it? Very compelling stuff. Essentially if the 'theory' is correct, then it should take a few WEEKS for the first organic molecules to come into existence given enough 'primordial ooze.'

[KontanKarite]

I don't know what's being talked about here, but I was told scientists can or have created some kind of life from nearly nothing.

[Onetwothree]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

I don't know what's being talked about here, but I was told scientists can or have created some kind of life from nearly nothing.

We're talking about abiogenesis, or the creation of life from non-life. I always had thought it was too improbable, but according to what I've read so far, it is actually very probable. I was really surprised. There might be a lot of life out there.

[KontanKarite]

Well sure. Such a duality in things, I'm not so surprised about it. It's kinda like matter and anti-matter, no?

[Wormboy]

I sincerely hope that this is true, that we can finally create life. I think the first human created by humans will finally bring down creationism, religion, spirituality, and all of that other brainwashing nonsense.

[KontanKarite]

Well, to BECOME God is a noble persuit, I would imagine.

[Wormboy]

Neitche(sp) in action isnt it? Be your own god

[KontanKarite]

Well, the sun is not my eye, I can't part oceans, and I don't even resemble a seven headed snake. So I'm not miraculous.

Though in the grander scheme of things, I feel that the actions of men are becoming faster than the actions of gods.

[Wormboy]

the sun is no one's eye, no one can part an ocean, and I've yet to see a seven headed snake

men's actions are the only actions, gods are akin to boogey men, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, and fucking Santa Claus

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Well, the sun is not my eye, I can't part oceans, and I don't even resemble a seven headed snake. So I'm not miraculous.

Opposable thumbs are just as godly.

[HumanePain]

Originally Posted by Wormboy

I sincerely hope that this is true, that we can finally create life.

Be careful what you wish for: we must exercise extreme caution in controlling the life we create, and deeply review the reasons for doing so, because careless creation might lead to diseases for which we have no immunity, wiping out the human race and perhaps all life on the planet. Creation of life to be used in biological weapons should be discouraged. Creation of life that can digest pollution into harmless constituents, cure disease or increase food production should be funded and promoted.

[Dark Templar]

Originally Posted by HumanePain

Be careful what you wish for: we must exercise extreme caution in controlling the life we create, and deeply review the reasons for doing so, because careless creation might lead to diseases for which we have no immunity, wiping out the human race and perhaps all life on the planet. Creation of life to be used in biological weapons should be discouraged. Creation of life that can digest pollution into harmless constituents, cure disease or increase food production should be funded and promoted.

I fully agree whit you HumanePain! I think man shod be wery careful about "playing God!" Sure, the idea of being your own God is apsolutly apealing but can we deal whit the responsebility that followes?

[Clockwork]

It would be used for evil. No great technology was ever created and not used maliciously as well as for good. Just ask Hiroshima.

[Godslayer Jillian]

I think everyone pretty much messed up the point of this whole thread.
How exactly is abiogenesis dangerous?
Creating life forms to destroy?
It would be much more efficient to do that with genetic manipulation. There's absolutely no point in creating that life weapon from scratch.
Abiogenesis is about the plausibility of evolution and the existence of life in other planets.
Nothing else.

[Clockwork]

Do you confess to know every possible outcome of an unexplored (although theoretical) technology?

[Godslayer Jillian]

I only say that the things people have mentioned here has anything to do with abiogenesis.
Biological weapons: We already have that, and better biological weapons don't demand creating them ex nihilo.
Creation of a human being: That's cloning. Miller created aminoacids, not mammals.

[HumanePain]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

I think everyone pretty much messed up the point of this whole thread.

Not any worse than Duckman with his "I have a headlight on my bicycle" posts that have nothing to do with the threads he posts them in. At least ours were almost related to the topic.