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11-15-2008, 10:20 PM
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Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
I wish people in the US would separate their religion from their politics, especially the politicains
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I agree with that...unfortunately it's a difficult thing to do as some subjects are intertwined with religion (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) I think the only solution to that is if people maintain a basic level of respect for each other's decisions.
For example, I would personally never have an abortion. That's me. My life has also been affected by a brother's ex-girlfriend getting an abortion behind his back. I would have a little niece or nephew if she hadn't done that. On the other hand, things happen for a reason. I am angry about it, but in a way I am glad for it because I don't honestly think she would have been a good mother for various reasons that are relatively insignificant to my point.
Even though whatever is right for me and whatever has happened to me...I can't see how many, politicians included can tell a 15 year old who's been ***** that she HAS to have that baby. It's not right.
Politicians especially need to be able to leave their religious beliefs out of their jobs, if we are ever going to be able to obtain complete separation of the church and state. I think we are a long ways off from achieving that, but I think Obama is a good step in that direction.
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11-15-2008, 11:08 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: elsewhere
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Originally Posted by viscus
I'm not a fan of proselytism either.
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The Jehova's Witnesses came by and proselytized me the day after Halloween. At 10 am. In the student ghetto.
Halloween was a Friday.
I wanted to give them a cookie for their audacity.
Anyway, approximately back to current discussion...
I really only have a problem with abortion being used *as* a method of birth control. If your pills didn't work despite taking them regularly, or if a condom had a hole in it, or if you were *****, then it's fine.
The problem is sorting out who was being responsible/who was a victim and who wasn't. And then there's the question of where the limit to responsibility is.
And then there's the issue that there's already so many kids in orphanages and foster care... >.< And kids that are growing up with parents who don't want them.
Also, my thoughts on same-sex marriage:
I think marriage is about love, and that one should have the same rights no matter who one loves.
If it's the same legal definition, why call it something different? All it does is alienate people.
Also, I personally can't say that I believe marriage would be sullied by allowing homosexual marriage. Yes, God said to procreate, and we did that with great efficiency, and now it's causing problems.
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11-15-2008, 11:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: El Paso, Texas/ Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua
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Originally Posted by LaBelleDameSansMerci
If it's the same legal definition, why call it something different? All it does is alienate people.
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I fully agree.
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Originally Posted by George Carlin
People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.
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11-17-2008, 12:05 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Earth.
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Originally Posted by LaBelleDameSansMerci
If it's the same legal definition, why call it something different? All it does is alienate people.
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That's their point.
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11-17-2008, 12:10 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia
That's their point.
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Yes. I am aware of that. I was simply trying to say it in a simpler manner. :P
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11-17-2008, 04:03 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Bangkok
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I have a very stupid question?
Can an atheist join this thread's conversation ?
Oh! SPAM...
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11-17-2008, 12:24 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Michigan, U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by $haDe
I have a very stupid question?
Can an atheist join this thread's conversation ?
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I don't see why not.
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11-17-2008, 04:12 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by ~~Auriel~~
I don't see why not.
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Atheists don't receive complementary hell/holy-fire-retardant gear like the baptized. They used to get a slide-rule and magnifying glass, but now it's just a stack of blank DVD-RWs to store MP3s and porn.
I keeeeeed.
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11-17-2008, 06:56 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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HAHAHA. Why shouldn't atheists join the discussion? They do seem to talk a fair amount about religion.
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11-17-2008, 09:43 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Ironic, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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11-18-2008, 04:50 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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That's right raggedyanne. I did hide my "Oh! Spam!" in the last line.
Oni's answer was very touching, though.
+3 to ThreeEyesOni 's awesome-ness.
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11-19-2008, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Originally Posted by raggedyanne
Ironic, isn't it?
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No. Do you even know what "ironic" means?
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11-20-2008, 11:37 PM
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#138
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: a sneeze away from San Francisco
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Ah, Ophelia. You keep me humble
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Originally Posted by Joker_in_the_Pack
At some point, you need to look yourself in the mirror and realize that what other people did to you does not define you as a person. You and your actions define who you are as a person. It's up to you to be a good person, in spite of all the evil you've faced. In fact, it should be because of the evil you see that it's good you do. Be the change you want in the world. Next time someone tells me that they're an asshole because they've had a bad life, I'm stabbing them in the eye with a spork.
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