Aspergers Syndrome

Rosie · 11-29-2007, 09:25 PM

Some people on another "Goth" forum have some ghastly views on this. About 3 pages of foaming at the mouth morons saying how AS is just something lazynerdy kids pretend to have to explain away their issues.

Is anyone else getting sick of this kind of attitude? You have to be intelligent to be a cynic. This is the problem. Meanwhile people like me who do actually have AS get harassed and ignored because of all these fakers that supposedly exist and shouldn't affect how I'm treated anyway.

AS is a real form of autism and isn't just defined by social difficulty but also certain mannerisms.

Delkaetre · 11-30-2007, 05:54 AM

My ex had AS, which made our relationship quite difficult at times.
The main problem with AS, and the reason that it gets such a rep from all the kids claiming to have it, is that it was only 'proven' relatively recently, and older practitioners of psychology don't have full training in identifying it. There are quite a lot of false positives, and often those who really do suffer can fly under the radar. So the false positives grab attention and create an unfortunate and inaccurate impression, whilst genuine sufferers often get labelled as 'difficult' and don't get the attention and help that would make things easier for them.

Renatus · 11-30-2007, 06:13 AM

There are a hell of alot of self diagnosed people unfortunately. Also the debate over if AS is autism or not still continues in the psychiatric commuity.

Delkaetre · 11-30-2007, 06:26 AM

One should never self diagnose anything unless one has suffered it twice before and thus can recognise it due to intense familiarity with it. Otherwise it's easy to get wrong. This goes for many physical as well as all mental complaints.

korinna5555 · 11-30-2007, 08:18 AM

A psychiatrist I once went to diagnosed me with "borderline Asperger's"..
I doubt I actually have it.. it's really more that I have social anxiety, periods of insomnia, and depression.
If I were to actually talk to a psychiatrist, I would most likely be diagnosed with Bipolar disorder, Borderline personality disorder, or Schizotypal personality disorder.
But I just smile and give the shrinks the answers they want to hear..

Methadrine · 11-30-2007, 08:21 AM

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I doubt I actually have it.. it's really more that I have social anxiety, periods of insomnia, and depression.

It could be as simple as a few months (or even weeks) with CBT to solve/cure that. Atleast the social anxiety part.

korinna5555 · 11-30-2007, 08:23 AM

I am not into therapy much.. plus, it's so much more fun to be reclusive.

Get on MSN for gods sake! ARGH!

Renatus · 11-30-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Delkaetre

One should never self diagnose anything unless one has suffered it twice before and thus can recognise it due to intense familiarity with it. Otherwise it's easy to get wrong. This goes for many physical as well as all mental complaints.

Yeah and with aspergers you don't just have it and then don't have it so self diagnosis is impossible. Though the first and last time I had strep throat I successfuly diagnosed myself, but then again it wasn't that hard considering that it was in the advanced stages so even swallowing spit was difficult. Though it took a few days for my parents to realize it was as serious as I was saying, so I had to get a big needle in the rear.

Rosie · 11-30-2007, 08:58 AM

I have not self diagnosed, I was diagnosed by a professional the the field, not even a random psychologist.

But people still refuse to recognise it as a real issue. I don't think there are near as many self diagnosed as people say - like someone said earlier, it's because it's only recently recognised, but, the knock on effect of that is that people don't want to believe it's real, or person X has it. I really blame Encyclopedia Dramatica and other rather shitheaded sites for this for spreading this misconception. I wouldn't be surprised if South Park has an episode on how AS has no case either, and then everyone would believe them and bitch saying it's just humour.

AS is most definitely a form of autism. There's just too many things in common.

TopHaggardDoll · 11-30-2007, 08:58 AM

My boyfriend has AS, so i'm not impressed when people bad mouth the condition.

Of course there are those that like to fake conditions, those are the people that should be shunned, not those with a genuine problem.

Rosie · 11-30-2007, 09:13 AM

Everything gets "faked" at some point. There's no reason for AS to get picked on except so EDfags can bully them.

killer_asian_Dax · 11-30-2007, 09:38 AM

I'm a bit skeptical about AS being a real form of Autism, just because it's fairly new and all the stupid kids faking disorders to get attention. (Since when was it "cool" to be mentally messed up?!)

I definitely leave the possibility open as science is always discovering and redefining things.

Sure, AS can definitely be a form of Autism, just like there could be a name for individuals who experience the same symptoms of Autism, just in reverse. Instead of not speaking until about 3 or 4 years old, they speak VERY early on. Instead of having difficulty learning things, they absorb knowledge at an alarminlgy fast rate.

It's possible. But until more information is out there about AS, I'm gonna have to call a hung jury.

Rosie · 11-30-2007, 09:45 AM

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I'm a bit skeptical about AS being a real form of Autism, just because it's fairly new and all the stupid kids faking disorders to get attention. (Since when was it "cool" to be mentally messed up?!)

There is no actual source for this. I've asked people to prove it any nobody can. I haven't seen any examples of it. People don't fake AS more than anything else. And if they do fake it, it's probably because they have some other issues yet to be identified.

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Instead of not speaking until about 3 or 4 years old, they speak VERY early on. Instead of having difficulty learning things, they absorb knowledge at an alarminlgy fast rate.

That's not necessarily true. And have you ever heard of "Autistic Savants"? Are they not true autistics either? Autism is generally defined by the poor ability to connect with others, like you're in your own little world at times. Both AS and high functioning Autism have this.

Renatus · 11-30-2007, 11:31 AM

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AS is most definitely a form of autism. There's just too many things in common.

Just because there are many similarities doesn't mean they are the same thing. Look at diseases many lethal and non lethal diseases share many characteristics but they are most definately not the same, and you most definately do not want to mix them up. Untill they find some way to test for autism other than a psychiatric testing we have no way of knowing, we need to find some sort of physical indicator. One thing they are looking for is a difference is the shape of our brains from that of normal brains.

Renatus · 11-30-2007, 11:38 AM

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One thing they are looking for is a difference is the shape of our brains from that of normal brains.

One thing this would definately help us figure out is if Einstein had autism or AS since they removed and presurved his brain before they cremated his body.

kimaru · 11-30-2007, 12:25 PM

My brother has AS, he was diagnosed by a professional....he can be annoying as hell....

Rosie · 11-30-2007, 12:49 PM

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Just because there are many similarities doesn't mean they are the same thing. Look at diseases many lethal and non lethal diseases share many characteristics but they are most definately not the same, and you most definately do not want to mix them up. Untill they find some way to test for autism other than a psychiatric testing we have no way of knowing, we need to find some sort of physical indicator. One thing they are looking for is a difference is the shape of our brains from that of normal brains.

But it's more likely Autism than not. Have you not read into High Functioning Autism? The way it goes is Autism -> High Functioning Autism -> Aspergers. There's a fairly clear gradient here in terms of learning skills, etc.

Renatus · 11-30-2007, 09:30 PM

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But it's more likely Autism than not. Have you not read into High Functioning Autism? The way it goes is Autism -> High Functioning Autism -> Aspergers. There's a fairly clear gradient here in terms of learning skills, etc.

Trust me I've done my research, my favorites list has it's own section for resources on the subject and I have a few paperbacks on the subject as well. As my psychiatrist, and therapists said I'm more qualified than a general Psychiatrist (notice how I said general not specialist) to diagnose somone with Aspergers, but I prefer not to try due to the complications involved.

Rosie · 11-30-2007, 09:46 PM

It's usually psychologists that do that, not psychiatrists. Psychiatrists are more focused on dishing out meds and therapy.

Lolly PopMuzik · 11-30-2007, 10:30 PM

Jesus, not this again...*quits this bitch*

Splintered · 11-30-2007, 10:35 PM

Maybe someone can clear this up for me.

If someone has Aspergers Syndrome, how much of their actions are caused by the Aspergers Syndrome?

The reason I'm asking, is because I knew a guy who was in my 9th grade English class, and he was diagnosed with Aspergers. I understood this, so I excused a lot of his actions despite the fact that they could get extremely awkward or, even sometimes violent. I'm wondering if it is all due to the syndrome, or if he was acting like that dispite it.

Green.Lady · 11-30-2007, 10:55 PM

Sigh... my friend's mother pinned Asperger's on her because she's a bit socially inept... And I know tons of undiagnosed people who say the reason why they don't fit in is because of it... it's pathetic. It's sort of like bisexualism, there's so many fakers that the real ones are treated like shit.

roserougesang · 11-30-2007, 11:15 PM

I got diagnosed with AS a while ago by a psychiatrist. It doesn't really affect me as badly as some, i'm just not that social and can be quite a pain in the butt to people without realising I'm doing it.

Most people are actually rather surprised when they find out I have Aspergers for some reason.

Rosie · 12-01-2007, 08:03 AM

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Maybe someone can clear this up for me.

If someone has Aspergers Syndrome, how much of their actions are caused by the Aspergers Syndrome?

The reason I'm asking, is because I knew a guy who was in my 9th grade English class, and he was diagnosed with Aspergers. I understood this, so I excused a lot of his actions despite the fact that they could get extremely awkward or, even sometimes violent. I'm wondering if it is all due to the syndrome, or if he was acting like that dispite it.

It's probably the syndrome. It depends in what way they're acting like dicks. I knew a guy online who was a big INTERNET TOUGH GUY. That's not generally an Aspergers thing. Aspergers is generally being shy, awkward, sometimes frustrated and aggressive with communicating with other people, depending on the person.

Bete Noire · 12-01-2007, 08:24 AM

Hmm this thread is a little misleading. at least in part. The people on the other site did not have unpleasent views about aspergers. They merely stated extreme dislike for fakers. That they concluded that you (Rosie) were a faker was the only unpleasent view they had.

Granted they were brash, but you did give as good as you got.