Michael Moore: good or bad?

[.BatteryPoison.]

Here's what hilarious about Moore's film, "Bowling for Columbine;" One of his main messages in it is that the Media here in America only shows the bad of everything in this country because they make money off of it. Wait... so it's ok for him to expoit a tragedy and weild victims to his personal little political battles and then become extremely famous and wealthy off of it?

I'm not going to delve too far into the scene where it says that the CIA trained Bin Laden to kill Soviets, because I've made it abudantly clear several times that the Pakistani ISI were the intermediaries between the CIA and the freedom fighters of Afghanistan. We were not, and never could be (due to CIA policy), involved in training this group directly to kill the Soviets.

Next thing that really pisses me off is the "All the white people are out to supress the black-man." As soon as he went so far as to say that the show "Cops" is aimed at degenerating African Americans and Hispanics, I had had enough of his shit. As someone who battled late night insomnia by watching that show for two years, I can tell you right now that there are ALOT more white people being arrested and stopped by police on that show than there are black.

That and the association that the South West's fear of African killer bees was because they were African was absurd. It's not at all a factor that they're extremely aggressive and attack anyone and everyone. What about AIDs, Moore? That had roots in Africa. Is that why the World is so affraid of it?

[Disfunction]

I like cheese. Now many of you may be wondering "What the hell does that have to do with Michael Moore?" Well... I don't know... just yet... Maybe I'll make a tie to it...

The dairy industry has for a longtime been advertising the benefits of milk as a valid source of protein, providing calcium, etc. Much like the dairy industry, the Bush administration has falsely claimed benefits of certain courses of action. While some parts of the dairy indutry's claims are valid, it's never quite the whole truth, and in some cases a blatant denial of it.

Think of Michael Moor, now, as cheese. I like Michael Moore and the things he's done... However, much like cheese, if you allow too much into your system it causes a contipation of thought. So in light of that, I like Michael Moore in moderation.

Wow... I actually tied I like cheese into a thread about Michael Moore... Is anyone else proud of me, because I sure am :P

[Jane13]

Very proud You know, humans are the only animals that drink milk after weening :shock:

[WolfMoon]

Originally Posted by Jane13

Very proud You know, humans are the only animals that drink milk after weening :shock:

We're also the only ones who try to not show our age.And the only animals to produce something like Moore.Or is he an orangatan?

[anti_everything]

From what I know about the guy and his work, he's got a pretty extreme point of view and rather strong opinions. He's expressing a side that most people won't put forward that much. Truth is, we need people like that--whether or not they're 100% right all the time (or at all). Or else the world would be even more full of clones than it already is.. plus there'd be nothing to argue about.








btw, I hate Bush just about as much as I hate Nike. And that's one hell of a lot.

[Jane13]

Originally Posted by WolfMoon

We're also the only ones who try to not show our age.And the only animals to produce something like Moore.Or is he an orangatan?

I thought he was a Roman, fighting, hot-air balloon that looked like Oprah? :P

[WolfMoon]

Originally Posted by Jane13

I thought he was a Roman, fighting, hot-air balloon that looked like Oprah? :P

That's also a possibility!!!

[AlKilyu]

Clint Eastwood squinted like Dirty Harry Tuesday night as he took aim at Michael Moore.
"Michael Moore and I actually have a lot in common - we both appreciate living in a country where there's free expression," Eastwood told the star-dotted crowd attending the National Board of Review awards dinner at Tavern on the Green, where Eastwood picked up a Special Filmmaking Achievement prize for "Million Dollar Baby."

Then, the Republican-leaning actor/director advised the lefty filmmaker: "But, Michael, if you ever show up at my front door with a camera - I'll kill you."

The audience erupted in laughter, and Eastwood grinned dangerously.

"I mean it," he added, provoking more guffaws.

Sitting well out of range at a table in back, Moore - who received a special "Freedom of Expression" award for his anti-Bush polemic "Fahrenheit 9/11" - chuckled.

What a difference from last summer, when Moore's supporters complained that death threats were arriving almost daily and the director showed up at the Democratic Convention with a security detail.

[WolfMoon]

Well, he's had fair warning.

How can we intice him into walking up to Dirty Harry's door?

:twisted:

[AlKilyu]

set this up at Clint's door...

[WolfMoon]

You forgot to lay that table with plenty of propaganda that makes sense only to moore-ons.


:P

[AlKilyu]

Look on the bottom left of the pic.

There is a document called "Bush Eats Babies While Creating Tsunamis" by Stu Pitt.

[AlKilyu]

[pitseleh]

Hmmm... so Michael Moore eats burgers, eh? I didn't know that too was considered un-american.

Obviously, I like Moore for the rabble-rousing fat bastard he is. I am not a huge fan, I realize that his films are 'biased', as you say, but why is that a bad thing just because he takes some pot shots at powerful public figures? Those guys that get heat from him already have a platform from which to launch their opinions. The victims of their policy don't neccessarily get heard. The NRA is a legitimate target, and even if you cringe a bit when poor old man Charlton Heston is put on the spot, he can take it. Screw the petty notions of morality or patriotism that tell you to shut up and be a 'good citizen'. Whatever happened to stickin' it to the man?

Point is, the world needs dissenting voices. If he can mix up the facts and statistics with a bit of fun as well, so as to get people to go to the theaters and see more documentaries, that's a good thing. I've watched a lot of documentaries in my time, and while not all of them are absolutely credible, you can usually spot the less serious ones. What would Michael Moore have to gain by putting false information in his films? The fact that he puts a leftist spin on things doesn't detract from the importance of the subject matter. You may see him as a radical commie, in my circle of friends he's just a common sense socialist. Why is that so offensive?

[WolfMoon]

He makes about as much sense as Cap'n Crunch.

He's just an unimportant blow hard with no real facts to back up his lies.

[drgnlvr]

Originally Posted by Disfunction

I like cheese. Now many of you may be wondering "What the hell does that have to do with Michael Moore?" Well... I don't know... just yet... Maybe I'll make a tie to it...

The dairy industry has for a longtime been advertising the benefits of milk as a valid source of protein, providing calcium, etc. Much like the dairy industry, the Bush administration has falsely claimed benefits of certain courses of action. While some parts of the dairy indutry's claims are valid, it's never quite the whole truth, and in some cases a blatant denial of it.

Think of Michael Moor, now, as cheese. I like Michael Moore and the things he's done... However, much like cheese, if you allow too much into your system it causes a contipation of thought. So in light of that, I like Michael Moore in moderation.

Wow... I actually tied I like cheese into a thread about Michael Moore... Is anyone else proud of me, because I sure am :P

Well done! :lol:

Anyhow...on with my own, irrascable opinion, here: Michael Moore: good or bad?

Can't say one way or another. He looks a little too greasy for my tastes. Would probably cause too many flare-up on the spit, too. :P You know, if you don't watch those things close, they can ruin a perfectly good chunk of meat.


Seriously....I've seen Bowling for Columbine, and F-9/11, and I've heard the opinions on the other side, as well. I think he made some good points. Those that haven't been disproven, at least. I think he can be a little extreme. But then, so is Michael Savage. It's all a matter of perspective. And the prime motivation for either of them is the almighty dollar, in the end, anyway.

I try to look at both sides of any issue, when possible. I figure that the truth is actually somewhere in the middle.

A few points about F-9/11:

Bush's reaction to the news. You know what? I don't like that man one little bit. But what the hell was he supposed to do at that time? Run around like a chicken with his head cut off? No, wait...that was my reaction. Never mind.

I mean, come on! That was the single most devastating thing to happen in this country. Different people react differently to extreme shock.

And really, there are enough things to -legitimately- complain about with this Administration (as a whole), than just a 7 minute moment of frozen shock.

Things that -do- concern me? Bush running companies he's been in control of into the ground. This is all a matter of public record. And how a man runs a buisness will be a pretty good indicator of how he'll run a country, don'cha think?

Follow the money.

Warnings about Terrorist activities in the US? Okay? And? Sure, he had warning. If that's what you want to call it. They didn't know where, when, or how. What can they do? National Security was already doing their jobs as best they could. IIRC, they had already rounded up several cells as it was.

But what does concern me? The Patriot Act. The shredding of the Bill of Rights. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Freedom is risky. But it's a hell of alot better than the alternative.

Beefing up security at airports, etc? Okay. I can accept that. But these people need to be trained better at profiling. Do you really think that Ahmed is dangerous, now? Any member of Al Queda in the US wanting to cause problems, is not going to do the work himself, now. Because all the security is looking for brown people. He's going to get a blonde, blue-eyed mole, or slip that plastique or whatever (no I have no education in explosives, okay?) into that little old lady's knitting bag.

But you know what? The FBI doesn't have to know what I read. And by GAWD, if I want to buy the farping Farmer's Almanac, and a newer version of my Rand McNally road atlas, I should be able to do so without having to look over my shoulder. I own a copy of the Qu'ran too. So? I also listen to some beautiful music that originated out of the ME.

Why should I have to be afraid to enjoy perfectly safe, and beautiful things, just because they are also connected to a small handful of terrorists? Would we disrupt the lives of Christians who owned Bibles, and -peacefully- believed in the sanctity of life because a handful of THEM blew up abortion clinics? Do you want to see an entire nation go ballistic?

*ahem* :oops:

Anyhow...my point...

Oh, yeah. Michael Moore. I consider his films "thought-provoking entertainment". But the complete, unvarnished truth? *looks around* I'm sure it's in there, somewhere. Buried. Just like the truth is with our Administration.

It's somewhere in the middle, deep within the morass of lies on all sides.

[OnixxFilth]

Personally, I love Michael Moore and his books and movies. He's the first political writer I've agreed with, and he's really helped me solidify my political beliefs. I loved Bowling for Columbine, especially the part with the interview with Marilyn Manson. MM, too, has a lot of great ideas and isn't afraid to speak his mind, despite the public's reaction.

[MrMaelstrom]

Characters from the opposite side of the political spectrum,
such as Rush Limbaugh and Billy O'Reilly were given a platform in TV and radio
to vehicle their opinions to a national audience on a daily basis.

Their views are a lot more extreme.
So are their opinions and their thoughts on the courses of action to be taken.
The most frightening thought, though, is that these people take themselves so seriously,
it's really scary to perceive the world as seen through their eyes if they were to have their desires fulfilled.

Michael Moore did his own thing.
It's obvious that republicans aren't gonna like him, after all,
they thought they owned the banner of the self-made-man and don't appreciate having it rubbed in their faces,
for a change.
On a global level, Michael Moore entered our cinemas and DVD players out of our own accords.
I wanted to listen and see what he had to say and show.
Yes, he was biased, but it was the 1st person who could show me the shocking atrocities of what I know
modern day society to be and allow me to be able to laugh at it, for a change,
instead of cringing in despair, which unfortunately, is all that your administrations
have made me do for a few years now (since Reagan, really).

His views and more importantly, the way they are portraied, has won prizes and recognition
from his peers from all over the world, as well as from the critics and public. This must surely mean something.

In fact, just the way we keep going on about him says it all.

When no one remembers Rush except from some drug abuse joke, or O'Reilly except for adult phone calls,
people will still remember, attack and criticise Moore and Clinton's blowjob
(when the latter had a myriad of reasons for really being criticised).

He his one of the US's biggest assets for foreign policy right now, because he portrays a view of what many of us still remember and like an american to be: loud, simple and honest.
Sure, we always complained about the noise, and we sneered at your innocence, but your honesty was pure gold.

Now you're modern, suave, arrogant like the english, self-absorbed like the french,
driven like the germans, as corrupted as italians and as inteligent as the portuguese.
All in all, not a good move. He reminds the rest of the world that the US government's actions and policies
do not reflect the character, honesty and integrity of its people.

You've gone downhill since you shot your president dead and you won't admit it.

You sold the AMERICAN DREAM and bought a WAY OF LIFE with the money.

Well, your way of life is not environmentally or economically sustainable unless part of the population
is practically enslaved as cheap labour.

My MacDonald's burger's meat comes from a shrinking Amazon forest giving way to more and more grazing fields
that only last for 2 years before becoming desert.

My diesel fuel is stolen from people whose governments we set up and dismantle like puppets.

More and more I am surrounded by garbage and waste that keeps building up.
I live among it.
I breathe it.
I cannot help but to eat it.
If I want clean water to drink, I have to pay for it.
The air I breathe is surely next.

Does the guy who vehicules my beliefs biased?
Fuck yeah, and I need him that way!

I conclude my thoughts with: don't like it, don't watch it.

But you can bet that a few years from now, his stuff will be as much a part of history
as the Washington Posts part in the Watergate scandal.

What's really scandalous is the amazing amount of shit that we are fed daily that passes for normalcy nowadays.

How many years will go by untill Hollywood puts out films about the truth
and personal stories of what's going on in Iraq right now?
And don't think of mentioning Clooney and Ice Cube.
We still don't know shit about what went on in '91 (like the amazing tank battle the 101st fought
and won against the iraqui army in the desert), let alone now.

Haliburton, Oil, Iraq, Afghanistan, Natural gas pipelines, Iran. This stinks to high heaven,
it's mostly fuel, and the US administrations idea of shedding a light on things is to throw a flame thrower into it,
as opposed to a flashlight and hazmat clean-up materials.

[Binkie]

Of course, O'Reilly and Limbaugh don't hold a candle to Michael Savage. That guy just relentlessly attacks the left with every other sentence.

The only reason I'm not really feeling what you're saying though, Mael, is because Moore manipulates the media until certain things become a complete lie, and he tries to pass it off as the solid truth told by television cameras, whereas it's really the editor's desired truth.

The radio talkshow people are perhaps guilty of using sound clips every now and then that may do this... but for the most part, they also include the otherside, allowing people who have conflicting/opposing ideas to at least have a say in the arguements. If there's something missing, like there is in a Moore film, these people are quick to point that out. A few have really made O'Reilly look like a complete bigot or idiot in my eyes. I know Savage has stuttered several times because he was caught way off guard by something a leftist caller said to him over the air.

[AlKilyu]

Careful Xng. While I agree with you, it might offend somebody and your post will be...(moderator censorship; God I love my job)

Maelstrom here: I'm just fucking with you Al. :P

[MrMaelstrom]

Ok Xnguela, it's been too long. I'll try to post some pics tonight. Maybe I'll show some torso and an old tattoo. :shock:

Hey Al, go back and read your last post on this thread.

[AlKilyu]

[MrMaelstrom]

I GOTTA watch that film. (Hums) "I'm ronery, I'm so, so ronery..."

[Deadhymn]

Mael, Xng said she wants your balls....you need to pursue that a little more enthusiastically....

[OnixxFilth]

Yeah, wouldn't want to offend someone. :roll: