Satanism a question

[dark_dragon_of_ice]

I’m quite interested in finding out what sort of Satanism Jillian is part of and what it actually is about. Jillian maybe you could explain to us? =p

[dark_dragon_of_ice]

Thank you Bloopie =p.

[Godslayer Jillian]

True. I don't agree with the part of it being a horrible doctrine, but I absolutely agree with Satanism being basically atheism with hedonism attached.
I'd say more about Satanism to answer your questions, DD, but the site Bloopie gave you is enough and more laconic than if I were to explain it.
Besides, I have gradually stopped calling myself a satanist due to similar reasons Bloopie mentioned in his first sentence in the above post.

Satanism is entertaining and extremely shallow. Its philosophy doesn't have all the useless profoundity of other religions.
But still, LaVey said nothing Epicurus didn't know already.

[emeraldlonewoulf]

It is interesting to see how ideas change in people.

From Dogma, (1999, Kevin Smith film )

Rufus: "I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."


Yeah, its from a Jay and Silent Bob movie ( think Mallrats, Clerks, etc., :P ), but I think its a valid point.

Yay for the growing mind.

[Minyaliel]

Jillian - you make it seem as if the "Satanism" of the COS is the only one there is. I am quite aware that the question was concerning this community, but I just have to point out that this is not true; Satanism is an umbrella term in itself covering a huge array of groups and individuals.

[Minyaliel]

And your opinion of that matter is based on which facts, Bloopie?

[KontanKarite]

Probably for the same reasons people become Christian, except reverse.

It's a matter of not having control over yourself, simplifying yourself into a measurement you're far bigger than.

Christianity gets you through guilt and fear.

Satanism gets you through anger and frustration.

To be either on your own merits is a matter all together different.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Minyaliel

Jillian - you make it seem as if the "Satanism" of the COS is the only one there is.

True. But Laveyan satanism is the one that most makes sense in any case.

[Minyaliel]

Jillian - it might be for you, perhaps. *shrug* To me, my mix of hermeticism and panentheistic Satanism makes more sense, but I guess this is a matter of personal preferences.

Bloopie - You can't back up your opinions, or won't, as it seems. Honestly, you seem to know next to nothing about Satanism apart from the Laveyians. Perhaps you should learn to talk about what you know instead of what you believe might be true. Sure, there are Satanists who can't think for themselves (personally I disagree with such persons calling themselves Satanists, because one of the most important fundamental things in this belief is to think for yourself), but there are also very many highly intelligent people who form their own beliefs (most of these do tend to be some kind of theistic, in my experience).

Kontan - there's a middle, you know. Not all Satanists are reverse Christians.

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by Minyaliel

Jillian - it might be for you, perhaps. *shrug* To me, my mix of hermeticism and panentheistic Satanism makes more sense, but I guess this is a matter of personal preferences.

Bloopie - You can't back up your opinions, or won't, as it seems. Honestly, you seem to know next to nothing about Satanism apart from the Laveyians. Perhaps you should learn to talk about what you know instead of what you believe might be true. Sure, there are Satanists who can't think for themselves (personally I disagree with such persons calling themselves Satanists, because one of the most important fundamental things in this belief is to think for yourself), but there are also very many highly intelligent people who form their own beliefs (most of these do tend to be some kind of theistic, in my experience).

Kontan - there's a middle, you know. Not all Satanists are reverse Christians.

Actually, I was trying to explain Bloopie's logic. In all honesty, I don't really care about Satanism or any other organized human institution of faith.

[happy_dude]

Originally Posted by Minyaliel

Sure, there are Satanists who can't think for themselves (personally I disagree with such persons calling themselves Satanists, because one of the most important fundamental things in this belief is to think for yourself), but there are also very many highly intelligent people who form their own beliefs (most of these do tend to be some kind of theistic, in my experience).

I'd like to point out the fact that that statement contradicts itself. Forming your own beliefs makes you an individual, not a Satanist. A Satanist is someone who believes in themselves and worships themselves as a god. Having unique beliefs do not fall into this definition.

[Cyntrox]

You think you're important too, but that's just sad.

[Cyntrox]

Your arrogance says otherwise.


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[KontanKarite]

Actually, he never claimed that he was important to us.

[raggedyanne]

What kinds of satanism are there? At the present I am highly fed up with Christianity.

[happy_dude]

I think everyone here is talking about LaVeyan Satanism. Just follow the link Bloopie posted further up the page. It should explain pretty much everything.

[Kraven de Sade]

Originally Posted by Bloopie

Satanists are bullshit artists. They believe they are important in an absurd world. I think that's hilarious.

Just about everyone who follow a set of principles believe that they are important. In my experience, at least.

[Minyaliel]

Originally Posted by happy_dude

Forming your own beliefs makes you an individual, not a Satanist. A Satanist is someone who believes in themselves and worships themselves as a god. Having unique beliefs do not fall into this definition.

Actually, happy_dude, there's more to it than that. You might want to read up on http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/b...What-Is-S.html. As for the different types of Satanist beliefs, there are two main divisions and several subdivisions; you have the Modern (usually atheistic) Satanists and then there's the Theistic/ "Traditional" ones who actually do worship Satan. Best place to look up theistic Satanism is here: http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/varieties/index.html. For Modern Satanism, I guess you're better off picking up The Satanic Bible to get the drift of what they believe; it is essentially self- worship and controlled egoism.

I mean, sure, being a free- thinker doesn't automatically make you a Satanist. But it's not impossible being both, and actually encouraged in the theistic communities. Never take anything for granted.

[happy_dude]

Hmm, I treat Satanists and Devil-worshippers as completely seperate religions.

I know the Church of Satan's theories and litany relatively well.

[Minyaliel]

They're not really separate, only different in the same way you have different kinds of christian congregations; there's a visible difference between, say, an orthodox catholic church and one lead by the charismatic baptists; this is the same also in Satanism. =)

[PinstripesAndPithHelmets]

Where's the "Satan" in Satanism? Is Satan actually worshipped, or is he simply some manner of cartoon mascot for self-interest and over-indulgence?

[Cyntrox]

It depends on the type of satanism, as stated some posts above.

[Jarl]

I used to be a laveyan Satanist... until I realized every Satanist I came across was a delusional elitist and all "I'm so dark" fake attitude bullshit with pentagrams all over their MySpace profiles and millions of rants about how much they hate "Xtains \m/"... they spend more time bashing Christians than Christians have ever bashed Satanism...

To PinstripesAndPithHelmets: In LAveyan Satanism Satan is used a symbol, like a mirror, pretty much the opposite of god, and most know how much Satanists love to blaspheming without creativity... plus the inverted pentagram is just a poke at the Wiccan religion and their (as a Satanist would put it from parroting The Satanic Bible) "hypocritical white magic". Satan is pretty much just a mascot. They get kicks out of peoples shocked reactions to the name and look of their religion... they love it.

[Jarl]

Though, there is another well known type of Satanism that actually does worship Satan as an entity, that kind is called Luciferianism

[Jarl]

Oh the best website to look at for info is www.dpjs.co.uk it has countless essays that aren't quite as bias as what I said, then again I'm not trying to sell you anything.