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02-12-2009, 05:16 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
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Originally Posted by Scareebowfairy
When I was 12 I loved Harry Potter. And I still like the silly concept of it.
I don't care what anybody says, Harry Potter is a fun story.
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Harry Potter is a lot more clever. Twilight is a horribly written series that takes itself seriously, while Harry Potter is a well written series that has a lot of humour.
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02-12-2009, 05:30 AM
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#52
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 69
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Originally Posted by Albert Mond
Harry Potter is a lot more clever. Twilight is a horribly written series that takes itself seriously, while Harry Potter is a well written series that has a lot of humour.
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I agree, I think it's pure insult that some are putting Twilight on the same level as Harry Potter.
I mean I didn't mind Twilight when it first came out as a book, before the hype. But the credit it's gotten is just pathetically over the top. The overall story is worse than cheap budget daytime soap opera.
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02-12-2009, 12:54 PM
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#53
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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The fact that both have become a manufacturer's wet dream doesn't necessarily point to equal validity as literature. Twilight is marketed mainly at teenage girls; Harry Potter is children's literature. The "adult version" with a different cover is intended to disguise this fact and accommodate the fact that so many adults haven't progressed to reading books more fitting to their age, and actually emphasizes this point. It also has some social value, and despite its flaws, it does carry subtler positive social messages than just the motif of racism being a Very Bad Thing.
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02-12-2009, 03:33 PM
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#54
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,065
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Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. If I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
-Monty Python and the Holy Grail
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02-12-2009, 03:45 PM
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#55
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Namibia
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Kolchak > all shows.
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06-19-2009, 02:40 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Georgia
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It just gives everyone who secretly blows vampires to come out into the limelight and not be ashamed of it.
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06-20-2009, 12:56 AM
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#57
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Australia. Finally back home.
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I haven't read the first 3 pages, because I hate Twilight too much to devote that much time to it.
But here's my two cents:
Harry Potter was fantastic no only because it created a fantasy world, or because it has supposedly 'hot' actors for the movie but because it also appealed to a wider fan base. JK Rowling grew as a writer, her characters gained depth through the novels and it had a storyline that continued with many twists through all 7 books.
On the other hand, Twilight characters are incredibly two dimensional, unflawed and the writing is hardly anything special either. The books have your basic 'bad guy' and the storyline is fairly basic also. It appeals to a very specific fan base and there's very little growth from one story to another.
In my experience, the vast majority of people who say they love Twilight preface that statement with 'I hardly ever read but...'
Many of them don't know what good writing is. It's 'the best book they've ever read' only because they haven't actually read anything else.
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06-21-2009, 12:09 AM
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#58
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: England.
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god, i hope not.
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06-21-2009, 12:13 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: England.
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god, i hope not.
harry potter is an amazing series with well-defined characters. twilight is a poorly written series with characters you really hope get caught in the sun.
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06-21-2009, 07:30 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: seattle, wa
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I give it another year, I doubt this second movie will allow a third to be made (although I've heard they're filming both at once). Once all the fans grow out of their 13yr old hormone roller coaster, they'll see how utterly pathetic the movies are. I only read the first book and have to say I loved it for what it was (it was still painfully obvious it was written for 13-15yr olds) but there's no excuse, NONE WHATSOEVER, for such an atrocity as the Twilight movie to have made it into theaters or so blown out of proportion. Everyone is talking about it because 13yr old fangirls are so ecstatic over whatever they choose to fawn over and the fact that trashy magazines dedicate so many headlines to it.
Something worse (go help us) will arise soon enough to take away the spotlight.
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07-24-2009, 01:34 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: United States
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Harry potter isn't that great in my opinion, it's watchable but i could never really be into it. still it beats twilight.
people who read twilight get all poserish and act hardcore cause they think they read a 'hardcore dark vampire book'. they probably don't even know who played the origional and most famous vampire, dracula, and they act like they know everything about vampires. i hate twilight, it shouldn't be this famous.
but agin, this is my opinion others probably disagree and will leave me hate comments. >.>
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07-27-2009, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC Fo' shizzle mah nizzle
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Twilight is terribly written.
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07-28-2009, 08:36 AM
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#63
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Back in Wisconsin(thinking about invading the south)
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Originally Posted by Silver_Countess
god, i hope not.
harry potter is an amazing series with well-defined characters. twilight is a poorly written series with characters you really hope get caught in the sun.
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Thats another bad part about twilight, when the vampires go out in the sun they dont die, they apparently just look all glittery.
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07-31-2009, 06:17 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New Port Richey, FL, USA
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HOLY SHIT!!!
I feel so much better!!!
See, I work at a bookstore, of course, I have all the freaking teenage girls, and their MOMS drooling all over the Twilight Series. EVEN my fellow MANAGERS are all over this thing.
So, me, being the "mean bitch" as they call me, haven't hidden the fact that I HATE THE FREAKING TWILIGHT SERIES!!!! I read it ONLY to form my own opinion, and believe me, IT SUCKS BIG TIME.
On the flip side, I love the Harry Potter series.
And, to end this post, I have to agree with most of the people who have posted here in reference to the literary value of both works. The Twilight series is poorly written, horribly shallow and disgustingly "pink". Whereas Harry Potter has created a world within a world, a completely new vocabulary, and darkness is a part of the light.
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08-23-2009, 05:58 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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I have actually read all four Twilight books. I bought into the whole “Twilight super duper sucks!!!” tirade that a lot of my peers were on but soon realized that most of them had never read the books. My 13 year old sister started reading the series and I decided to read it after her. I liked it. I actually really liked twilight *Shocker*
The book appealed to the 12 year old girl buried deep within my soul… lol
And I kinda liked the sex scenes… or to be honest… I really like the sex scenes. I just wish the books were written for an older audience cuz the scenes were a little too PG13…
Twilight isn’t a work of literary genius, it won’t last but it’s worth reading.
It would be hilarious if there was a Jacob and Edward (gay porn) fan fiction … It would piss off a lot of fans but I would love to see it.
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08-26-2009, 12:28 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North Florida
Posts: 646
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Originally Posted by Dr Nancy
For the moment, I'm hoping that Stephenie Meyer will be kidnapped by an obsessed fangirl misery style.
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Oh my god, I think I love you.
Let me add that I hope the psychotic Number One Fan uploads the hobbling to YouTube.
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08-29-2009, 08:36 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vermont
Posts: 21
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I think it's wrong that so much criticism of Twilight is directed at the fangirls. Finally, after years and years of fantasy writing being "gender neutral" by having male leads (because boys won't read books about girls but girls will read books about boys), a book has come out that is just for them. Of course they are going to be excited.
Harry Potter is higher-quality writing, and more creative, but in some ways it alienates female readers (despite being written by a woman). Hermione is a great character, certainly more fleshed-out than Bella, but as the books go on she becomes more and more peripheral. From the beginning she is second-best to Ron in Harry's eyes... He and Ron are friends, and Hermione is the "other" that eventually joins their group.
So while Harry Potter is better for the most part, it's understandable why Twilight is such a success with its target demographic.
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08-29-2009, 08:54 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North Florida
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I'm not contesting your point about why it has appeal - you're dead on with that. But I find it unalterably depressing that novels aimed at females should so consistently be inferior in quality and literariness. This is not just criticism of Twilight, but of the Harlequin Romance industry, the chick-lit genre, etc. Shallow, subtly misogynistic, poorly written, and very nearly without any merit at all, female-aimed novels disappoint me greatly and only reinforce damaging and inaccurate gender stereotypes.
Plus, damn it all, Dracula was our seductive monster! I resent him being made safe for the quailing masses. I never thought I'd see the day when Vampire Love t-shirts were being sold at JC Penney. *shakes tiny fist of impotent rage*
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08-29-2009, 09:47 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vermont
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I agree with you, but better writers know how to appeal to broader audiences, and the only way to rope in both girls and boys is to write for boys.
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08-29-2009, 04:21 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,548
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Originally Posted by Ophelia's Snorkel
I'm not contesting your point about why it has appeal - you're dead on with that. But I find it unalterably depressing that novels aimed at females should so consistently be inferior in quality and literariness. This is not just criticism of Twilight, but of the Harlequin Romance industry, the chick-lit genre, etc. Shallow, subtly misogynistic, poorly written, and very nearly without any merit at all, female-aimed novels disappoint me greatly and only reinforce damaging and inaccurate gender stereotypes.
Plus, damn it all, Dracula was our seductive monster! I resent him being made safe for the quailing masses. I never thought I'd see the day when Vampire Love t-shirts were being sold at JC Penney. *shakes tiny fist of impotent rage*
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I read somewhere that Dracula was a rapist, Lestat was a seducer. Thats the evolution of the vampire, from a monster who is really fucking scary to a "vegetarian" (god I hated that part) misogynistic lover for girls with vapid personalities.
There are female aimed books for teens that aren't stupid. Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson was a really good one (it has something to do with Twilight, it had a movie with Stewart as the main character), for fantasy there was Spindle's End, and then there was Judy Blume *sigh*. A friend of mine swears she found a vampire romance series that actually isn't misogynistic and the smut makes up for the poor writing, can't remember what she said the title was...heard of it before...dammit.
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The book appealed to the 12 year old girl buried deep within my soul… lol
And I kinda liked the sex scenes… or to be honest… I really like the sex scenes. I just wish the books were written for an older audience cuz the scenes were a little too PG13…
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Thats the really sad thing, she wrote it for her peers, she didn't intend it to be a kid's novel.
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I agree with you, but better writers know how to appeal to broader audiences, and the only way to rope in both girls and boys is to write for boys.
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Get Miyazaki on the job, although Blume was good at roping in both, I don't know anyone who didn't love Ramona Quimby.
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