Five hundred eighty proofs of God's Existence

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Logic doesn't fail. Logic simply means from A we can go to B without being wrong.
So what the fuck are you talking about?

Logic fails when going from A to B is wrong. It becomes illogical due to
the path taken whatever it maybe. That is that part that fails, or let's
say can go no further than "We don't know.". Such as the existence of
God.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Slap Your Love

Logic fails when going from A to B is wrong.

Uh, no. That's called BEING WRONG, not LOGIC IS WRONG.
This is going too long, you're just trying to pull off a number 58

# ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God exists.
(2) [Atheist's counterargument]
(3) Yes he does.
(4) [Atheist's counterargument]
(5) Yes he does!
(6) [Atheist's counterargument]
(7) YES HE DOES!!!
(8) [Atheist gives up and goes home.]
(9) Therefore, God exists.

Everyone else can see Slap Your Love is an idiot, right?
I'm good with that.
Take some fucking Logic classes. Seriously.

[Slap Your Love]

Omfg kid I'm not trying to prove God exists. What the fuck are
you talking about? My belief system doesn't matter.

I was and only was saying that God cannot be proved or disproved.

The end. You're the idiot. I'm a philosophy major with a minor in
sociology idiot. You take some fucking classes you elitist biased
fucktard.

[Beneath the Shadows]

Well, you make Spock cry!

[Godslayer Jillian]

My apologies

# ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God cannot be proved or disproved.
(2) [Atheist's counterargument]
(3) It can't.
(4) [Atheist's counterargument]
(5) It can't!
(6) [Atheist's counterargument]
(7) IT CAN'T!!!
(8) [Atheist gives up and goes home.]
(9) Therefore, it can't.


I really doubt you're a philosophy major if you believe that "it can't be proved nor disproved therefore I believe" is not stupid.
But it does open me a window. Go ask your philosophy professors. Try to find one that won't laugh at you if you show them this thread.
Will you do that for me?

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

My apologies

# ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God cannot be proved or disproved.
(2) [Atheist's counterargument]
(3) It can't.
(4) [Atheist's counterargument]
(5) It can't!
(6) [Atheist's counterargument]
(7) IT CAN'T!!!
(8) [Atheist gives up and goes home.]
(9) Therefore, it can't.


I really doubt you're a philosophy major if you believe that "it can't be proved nor disproved therefore I believe" is not stupid.
But it does open me a window. Go ask your philosophy professors. Try to find one that won't laugh at you if you show them this thread.
Will you do that for me?

I don't care what you think? What're you to me? Nothing. This conversation
means nothing to me. That one provided now "It can't", fits. "It can't be proved nor disproved therefore I don't believe" is stupid. You gain nothing if right and loose everything if wrong. Pascal's wager. I'm not about
to argue pascal's wager with you either because i've seen your thread
on it and it is bullshit and biased.

[Beneath the Shadows]

If you don't care, then why do you keep arguing?

[Godslayer Jillian]

Truth is not biased. This will be my last post for today, proving you your idiotic appeal to Pascal's Wager is bullshit.

What makes you feel you have everything to lose if oyu don't believe in that specific god?
What if god demands that only those that have killed a man enter heaven?
What if god demands you to pray in Klingon three times a day?
What if it's praying in Spanish?
What if it's facing mecca?
What if it's while naked?
What if you have to believe pi is 3?
What if you have to have read the Koran?
What if he only admits vegetarians?
What if he only admits the Aryan race?
What if you have to be baptized in wine?
What if you have to give everything to the poor literally?
What if you have to be circumcised?
What if you have to be UNcircumcised?
What if you have to push your absolutist beliefs into other people?
What if you have to be a priest?
What if you also have to believe in his wife?
What if you have to believe in his son?
What if you have to believe he's a she?
What if you have to believe she's a he?
What if you have to also believe women are inferior?
Maybe only the 144,000?

More than that, what if he demands skepticism rather than blind faith? Then I'm the one that wins everything and you lose all.
But you can never know
NOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW !!!ONE!11!ONE!!1!!
Yeah, so why choose faith in that specific one? You have everything to lose with the 99.9999999% you didn't choose. So you're just as idiotic as you think I am for not choosing yours but you see no problem in being a hypocrite. THAT'S the definition of bias.

[Godslayer Jillian]

Originally Posted by Beneath the Shadows

If you don't care, then why do you keep arguing?

That's why he was asking me. Duh!

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

Truth is not biased. This will be my last post for today, proving you your idiotic appeal to Pascal's Wager is bullshit.

What makes you feel you have everything to lose if oyu don't believe in that specific god?
What if god demands that only those that have killed a man enter heaven?
What if god demands you to pray in Klingon three times a day?
What if it's praying in Spanish?
What if it's facing mecca?
What if it's while naked?
What if he only admits vegetarians?
What if he only admits the Aryan race?
Maybe only the 144,000?

More than that, what if he demands skepticism rather than blind faith? Then I'm the one that wins everything and you lose all.
But you can never know
NOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW !!!ONE!11!ONE!!1!!
Yeah, so why choose faith in that specific one? You have everything to lose with the 99.9999999% you didn't choose. So you're just as idiotic as you think I am for not choosing yours but you see no problem in being a hypocrite. THAT'S the definition of bias.

None of that applies to the Christian God I apply Pascals wager to.
That will be all. I'll be back on gnet some other random time to
make a fuss again. Success. Night.

[Beneath the Shadows]

Originally Posted by Godslayer Jillian

What if god demands you to pray in Klingon three times a day?

Sto'Vo'Kor is a hell of a place.

[blackwater1110]

OK, so we've pretty much determined that SLY follows an agnostic line of reasoning towards God, but then applies Pascal's wager (this being the part he deems practical). He states that he has everything to gain from his religion, and nothing to lose.

My question to you is, what do you believe you are gaining? Entrance to heaven, or more tangible rewards, like the a group of people who will care about you and respect your opinions?

Also, why do you believe that this specific God and set of parameters you follow is the best, as opposed to any other parameters?

It seems to me that this debate isn't so much about the sensibility of believing/not believing in God as it is a debate over core values. Jillian views truth as arrived at by logic as a paramount virtue; I suspect that SYL allows other values to take precedence.

But only SYL could answer us as to where his priorities lay. The irony is that, were truth his core value, then he would acknowledge his mundane reasons for believing in God and in so doing, de-legitimize said belief; but if security is indeed his overriding value, he may not be honest with himself and as a result, fabricate an answer on this message board in an effort to protect himself, rendering the whole thread a useless and never-ending exercise in futility for all involved.

[Wednesday Friday Addams]

Originally Posted by Slap Your Love

None of that applies to the Christian God I apply Pascals wager to.
That will be all. I'll be back on gnet some other random time to
make a fuss again. Success. Night.

Pascal wager applies possibilities of something being true.
So you are saying you can narrow it down to two things?

[Drake Dun]

You gain nothing if right and loose everything if wrong. Pascal's wager. I'm not about to argue pascal's wager with you either because i've seen your thread on it and it is bullshit and biased... None of that applies to the Christian God I apply Pascals wager to. That will be all. I'll be back on gnet some other random time to make a fuss again. Success. Night.

Thank you for playing. Better luck next time.

[honeythorn]

What difference does it make?

[tekajo]

Seriously, again y'all?

[Necrophagist]

None of the debating parties are making any breakthrough. They're all too stubborn to listen to each other.

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Slap Your Love

None of that applies to the Christian God I apply Pascals wager to.
That will be all. I'll be back on gnet some other random time to
make a fuss again. Success. Night.

I love that the omnipotent, omniscient creator of absolutely everything ever in the history of the universe is completely unaware that you only put on the front of believing him so that he doesn't kick your ass when you die.

[jack_the_knife]

Originally Posted by tekajo

Seriously, again y'all?

I was thinking something vaguely along those lines.

[Necrophagist]

Originally Posted by JCC

I love that the omnipotent, omniscient creator of absolutely everything ever in the history of the universe is completely unaware that you only put on the front of believing him so that he doesn't kick your ass when you die.

Hahahahahahaha

[Tam Li Hua]

I don't see why it matters how many people you've argued against. No argument in the world can stop the Truth from being True.

If God -does- turn out to be real in one way or another, I wonder what folks like you will do, Jillian.

[Tam Li Hua]

Originally Posted by Necrophagist

None of the debating parties are making any breakthrough. They're all too stubborn to listen to each other.

Heh. Ain't it the truth?

[JCC]

Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua

I don't see why it matters how many people you've argued against. No argument in the world can stop the Truth from being True.

If God -does- turn out to be real in one way or another, I wonder what folks like you will do, Jillian.

What do you do when he doesn't exist, and you waited thirty years to let a guy take a poke because of your irrational allegiance to an incorporeal terrorist fairy?

[Slap Your Love]

Originally Posted by JCC

I love that the omnipotent, omniscient creator of absolutely everything ever in the history of the universe is completely unaware that you only put on the front of believing him so that he doesn't kick your ass when you die.

If you would have read you would see that I do not
base my beliefs in my God solely on this. This is just
the practical side to shut Alan up.

[gothicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by Tam Li Hua

If God -does- turn out to be real in one way or another, I wonder what folks like you will do, Jillian.

Oh, I recognize this one:

ARGUMENT FROM PAIN AVOIDANCE
(1) If I don't believe God exists, I'll go to Hell.
(2) Please don't hurt me.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

If there is a god who he sends those who doubt his existence to hell, then I suppose I'm fucked, but then again such a God would be nothing more than a cruel tyrant who expects what no rational person could possibly deliver, and, if an entity of that kind wants to torture innocent people, nothing can stop him.
I don't really enjoy being an atheist-- the idea of living eternally in an immaculate paradise sounds sweet to me-- but I simply can't acknowledge a being whose existence is totally uncorroborated by evidence. God, in his infinite wisdom, must know that Atheists are essentially reasonable in that, were we to be supplied with a compelling case for his presence, we'd immediately abandon our current position. However, God can't be bothered to exercise his boundless powers such that some reason to accept him is made manifest, so, if he's truly wise and truly benevolent, he can't fault us for exercising reason. Should he do so, he, being a malignant maniac, is in the wrong, not me.