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[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by RozzVanian

Yeah, I'm into the classic stuff like KMFDM, Front Line Assembly, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, and the somewhat goth/industrial band Alien Sex Fiend.

I'm not really into the newer industrial stuff, so maybe that's why I didn't recognize the bands.

LOOL.
I don't want to be an asshole about it, but you can't be picky about genres when you don't know the difference between EBM and industrial.

[Mr E Nigma]

=P Love you Pyre! <3

[RozzVanian]

Yeah, I'm totally out of it. What is the difference between EBM and industrial? I'm aware of industrial, but what are some classic examples of EBM?

I know it has something vaguely to do with industrial. Maybe I'm confused.
And yeah, when I said I was a big industrial fan, I was referring to classic industrial.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Dude.
Just google it like you did with goth.

[RozzVanian]

Originally Posted by Underwater Ophelia

Dude.
Just google it like you did with goth.

Okay, so I don't know EBM. No need to be rude like that.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by RozzVanian

Okay, so I don't know EBM. No need to be rude like that.

I'm not being rude about you not knowing about EBM. Hell, I don't know much about it myself.

But I also wasn't trying to put up a bullshit front about it.

[RozzVanian]

And for the record, I never googled goth. Google is for porn ONLY.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by RozzVanian

And for the record, I never googled goth. Google is for porn ONLY.

Google, Wiki, whatever.

[ZyklonB]

System Syn is a local band over here in LA/Burbank. Well, they are signed by Metropolis last I checked I think. They usually play 21+ places so I haven't gone to see them yet.

EDIT-(whoah, I missed this part of the discussion by quite a bit, just replied when I saw someone mention they didn't recognize System Syn >.>)

[Pyre]

Electronic body music, EBM or Industrial dance is a music genre that combines elements of industrial music and electronic dance music.

Covenant is a band from Sweden whose music comprises a mixture between electropop, EBM, and industrial.

Andy LaPlegua brought you his new electro/industrial project called CombiChrist .

In my experience, most people who listen to one listen to the other. They're very similar, with the exception that EBM is more upbeat. Aside from that the sound is generally the same. A fan of industrial should be familiar with EBM bands. And, as you see, these bands that you supposedly call EBM do not refer to themselves as such, even if they would technically be such. There's a lot of cross-over from industrial to EBM because they're so similar. In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who actually listens to them to make a clear distinction between the two, or lists specifically of one or the other.

[maggot]

Psh, most EBM bands make up a name for their genre. I'm gonna make an EBM band and call the genre "SteriPop," and if anyone questions me, I'll just berate them and say they have a shallow soul.

[Mr E Nigma]

haha

Yeah, I think EBM is just barely more danceable...it's like a subgenre of industrial... sort of like psychedelic trance is a subgenre of trance, or Heavy Metal being a subgenre of metal. Subgenre's while similar, do still have some distinct differences that set them apart.

[Cicero]

Most industrial fans I know aren't really into EBM. They consider it bleepy shit.

And fuck, I've never understood how people can dance to it anyway. The most danceable music I've ever listened to is deathrock =]

[maggot]

To the EBM crowd, dancing means pretending to stomp on/punch midgets to the beat.


The funny part is that I'm not joking. That's EXACTLY what it looks like

[Solumina]

o.0 I hope I don't look like that when I dance

[Mr E Nigma]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Most industrial fans I know aren't really into EBM. They consider it bleepy shit.

And fuck, I've never understood how people can dance to it anyway. The most danceable music I've ever listened to is deathrock =]

That involve moshing? If so I don't really consider that dancing... and, not referring to you at all, but hardcore dancing is probably the dumbest shit in the world.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Mr E Nigma

That involve moshing? If so I don't really consider that dancing... and, not referring to you at all, but hardcore dancing is probably the dumbest shit in the world.

Ewwwwww, no.

I don't really know how to describe it, but it isn't much different to dancing to Siouxsie or Bauhaus. In fact it's pretty much the same.

[Pyre]

There's a local EBM/darkwave band here, and the first time I saw them live I got really into the music and looked as if I was having convulsions. >_>

I don't know many industrial fans myself, but the ones I do know like EBM as well, and I personally listened to both for a few years. I have heard people call techno bleepy shit, but not EBM. I don't know many "bleepy" EBM bands, in fact. They're all pretty heavily industrial like, at least the extent of the ones I listened to. But, I guess that depends on one's definition of "bleepy."

[badteccy]

Originally Posted by RozzVanian

So, like, industrial EBM stuff? I like that kind of thing. I'm a big industrial fan.

My standard question to new members: Do you like Skinny Puppy? Because if you do, then I like you.

Yea, EBM and Industrial are different genres just so you naw.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by maggot

To the EBM crowd, dancing means pretending to stomp on/punch midgets to the beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF_5pK7pwsE

RozzVanian, I find it hard to believe you've never heard of Combichrist for example. Or in fact EBM at all. Most clubs, around here at least, who have flyers saying "Goth and Industrial night", will actually play EBM instead.

Originally Posted by Pyre

I don't know many "bleepy" EBM bands, in fact.

Combichrist, VNV Nation, Angelspit, Suicide Commando, Psyclon Nine etc.

I like some EBM and industrial bands. Skinny Puppy are awesome live. And Combichrist are pretty fun.

And Draven, welcome.

[isobel black]

You guys are getting your genres mixed up. EBM, while I guess it can be called 'bleepy', is an older genre on which the generic 00ntz shit that seems to be so popular these days is based. Think Front 242, Klinik, (early) Nitzer Ebb.

Suicide Commando started out EBM so I guess that warrants the classification, but I'm pretty sure Combichrist, Angelspit and Psyclon 9 are what's considered (electro-)industrial nowadays, and VNV nation is clearly synthpop.

I consider myself an electro-industrial fan and I do listen to a lot of EBM.

EDIT: I noticed later I skimmed through a lot of the posts and people have already brought this up.

[Raptor]

They generally get referred to as EBM though and whatever genre they are, those are the sort of bands that would get played alongside each other in a club.

And some new EBM bands do sound like the old ones. Sort of. Like my link in the last post.

I know what you mean though.

Hmm, maybe that should be I generally refer to them as EBM.

[isobel black]

I know what you mean, I employ my own genre classifications as well, to avoid a long genre list on my iPod, and because the invention of subgenres just tends to get a little ridiculous.

I use electro as a blanket term for everything from classic EBM, synthpop, to things like Hocico, Covenant, Velvet Acid Christ and Front Line Assembly.

[Raptor]

Yeah, I blanket those all as EBM.

Most of that kind of music I hear about from my housemate really, he's Ebbhead on here. I don't know that much about it.

[Raptor]

Also, if you like those bands and can get to Germany, they have a festival called Amphi.

Last year they had bands like Klinik, Combichrist, Die Krupps, Psyclon Nine, Cinema Strange, Clan of Xymox, And One etc.

This year includes KMFDM, Front 242, Fields of the Nephilim, Panzer AG and Laibach.