A "fuck you to Hillary Clinton"..

[KontanKarite]

Originally Posted by raggedyanne

I'm following a long American tradition. When things go south, go north!

Are you implying that the American people CAN'T change anything about their country?

[killer_asian_Dax]

Originally Posted by KontanKarite

Are you implying that the American people CAN'T change anything about their country?

I'm not going to speak for her in answering your question, but what I pulled from her comment is not so much that the American people can't, but it's that they won't.

From what I've noticed the American people have grown lazy. They've come to believe that despite how much things suck, there's nothing they can do to change it. They've forgotten that they can make a difference. That it all starts with 1. I'm sure this has much to do with government conditioning through the media and other sources, but I could be wrong.

So depending on the person's personal feelings, the next best thing would just be to remove themself completely, physically from the situation/problem.

"People get the government they deserve."

Through their own inaction, this is what they've received.

[KontanKarite]

I agree, Dax. I agree.

[Underwater Ophelia]

Originally Posted by raggedyanne

I just find that dear Hillary and I follow different moral codes. Sort of like Ghandi and Zsa Zsa Gabor.

But you don't know anything about Hillary's actual moral code, she could be naive and puppeted. I don't think so, but you don't really know. And calling people "dear" condescendingly is transparently young. I'm just pointing out to you--very few grown women do that.

[blackwater1110]

Originally Posted by ZombiesNTea

Obama is purchased by the Nuclear, Banking, and Investment industries so I don't know what you're talking about. And his platform is virtually the same as hers. He just speaks more eloquently, while she's a cold-hearted bitch.

He's another bought and sold politician, with a comfy candy coating.

OK, I looked up Obama's major donors. They're the same as Hillary's. Point taken.

[raggedyanne]

Originally Posted by killer_asian_Dax

I'm not going to speak for her in answering your question, but what I pulled from her comment is not so much that the American people can't, but it's that they won't.

From what I've noticed the American people have grown lazy. They've come to believe that despite how much things suck, there's nothing they can do to change it. They've forgotten that they can make a difference. That it all starts with 1. I'm sure this has much to do with government conditioning through the media and other sources, but I could be wrong.

So depending on the person's personal feelings, the next best thing would just be to remove themself completely, physically from the situation/problem.

"People get the government they deserve."

Through their own inaction, this is what they've received.

Exactly! It's not that we've forgotten, but we've been discouraged. It's a bit hard to get excited about an election when it's beung run like a reality TV show. I think that Obama is, at least, the sanest of the candidates. Sadly I'm too young to vote.

[ArtificialOne]

Third party!

Go robots!

[CptSternn]

They should open up the race to third parties as well as allow multiple candidates from each party. They do that here in Ireland and the UK. You can have 2-5 candidates in an election - ALL from the same party. That way if you don't like one, you can pick another.

Our elections here we get like 10-15 people we can vote for, and many are all in the same party. Personally, I think it makes things better as you really have a better group to choose from.

[ArtificialOne]

It used to be that way here up until the 60's when the country became more polarized.

I would very much like to see more parties and more candidates as that would open the field to having the govt truly represent the diverse view of the populace so to speak.

[KontanKarite]

Like a Ron Paul that was pro-choice. :-/

[ArtificialOne]

I hear some people saying that the media is a de facto propaganda wing of the govt. I think that's false. I do though believe they very much push their own political agendas and put major spin on topics. One of my major gripes in the last week with them is context. Sure if you say "four people were gunned down by police today" that sounds horrible, but if you say "the police shot four known mass murdering rapists" it sounds allot different. Thing is most of the media doesn't give context in their short blurbs and people don't stick around to hear the rest of the story. So most people walk away very upset and with false ideas of what happened. You can see how that would lead to false ideas and what not..

[ZombieG]

I'm not really ecstatic to see any of the candidates become the next president. The least of the worst is Obama, but the circumstances involving this election in the broad perspective already hint at it being a joke in the end. Why the train stops with Hillary, I'm not entirely sure. Even Obama has admitted the difference between his and Hillary's platform are mostly rhetorical or minuscule otherwise.

I'm just going to write-in Solid Snake.

[Mir]

I hope that after this long, protracted battle for nomination, Republicans win it in the end. Make them both look stupid.

Why do I say that? Because it doesn't matter who wins. Nothing is going to change whatsoever. Elections are in place to indulge the illusion of choice.

Still, I'd really wish for more people to vote for parties other than the Republican and the Democrats though.

[ArtificialOne]

I'd like to see a pro technology party. The reps are to proffit oriented and the dems are filled with crazy eco zealots.